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Reply # 1848867 19-Aug-2017 15:00

Wondering if I should buy a type 2 to type 1 charging cable.

I'm in Christchurch with a jap import 2013 Leaf. Most of charging is at home using 3 pin to type 1.

Right now, the only reason for getting one of these cables is to use at the New Brighton and Hagley Park charging stations, in which case it's going to take a while to get the price of the cable back.

Any future reasons for getting one? (e.g. there're going to be lots of type 2 chargers spouting up)

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Reply # 1848886 19-Aug-2017 16:34

I checked out a Hyundai Iconiq EV, very nice indeed. Very comfortable, leather interior, all the bells and whistle and modern safety features. The vision through the rear window is a bit restricted but mitigated by cameras. Didn't like the dopey idea of the light controls on the wrong side. I had to get out of the dealership fast as I was getting the buy now urge.

I compared it to a Nissan Leaf 25KW version and it was way behind, but to be fair it was not a new car. Great boot and comfortable but I found the drivers compartment restricted, limited travel in the manual seat but there was good travel in the steering wheel. Of the two the Hyundai was definitely calling me to buy.

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Reply # 1848985 19-Aug-2017 21:17

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Any future reasons for getting one? (e.g. there're going to be lots of type 2 chargers spouting up)

Ideally when you get a charger put in at home it will be a type 2 socket, so then the next EV you get will be able to use it too, that's what I've done for my leaf 😊 also means i can use the chargers at the botanic gardens, summer, new Brighton and i think there's supposed to be one going in or already in at parklands library?

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Reply # 1849039 20-Aug-2017 02:35

paulchinnz:
Wondering if I should buy a type 2 to type 1 charging cable.

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Any future reasons for getting one? (e.g. there're going to be lots of type 2 chargers spouting up)

I wanted a Type 2 to Type 1 cable because my UK-sourced LEAF can charge at 32amp / 6 6kw. That gives me about 25% / hour. A Japanese LEAF charges at half that rate via the AC port.

So speed isn't an advantage of you have a blue commando plug at home. But maybe free power is?

I have one of these at my house in Opotiki.

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Reply # 1849051 20-Aug-2017 07:59

MikeB4:

I checked out a Hyundai Iconiq EV, very nice indeed. Very comfortable, leather interior, all the bells and whistle and modern safety features. The vision through the rear window is a bit restricted but mitigated by cameras. Didn't like the dopey idea of the light controls on the wrong side. I had to get out of the dealership fast as I was getting the buy now urge.

I compared it to a Nissan Leaf 25KW version and it was way behind, but to be fair it was not a new car. Great boot and comfortable but I found the drivers compartment restricted, limited travel in the manual seat but there was good travel in the steering wheel. Of the two the Hyundai was definitely calling me to buy.

The Iconiq is a model at the beginning of a model cycle, the leaf is at the end of its cycle,

Wait 17 days and then think about comparing woth the leaf....

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Reply # 1849053 20-Aug-2017 08:21

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I absolutely agree, the up coming new Leaf is looking very good. I am looking forward to seeing it and reading reviews

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Reply # 1849056 20-Aug-2017 08:58

I'm sure the Gen 2 Ioniq will be a nice car but the current Ioniq disappoints me. 28kWh for the price they are asking? I can buy a Japanese import Leaf with 30kWh and the 2018 Leaf will have 40kWh, Hyundai need to get out a new version for 2018 IMO.

A 40kWh Ioniq would be seriously nice! A 60kWh Ioniq would be even better!

I really wish there was a 60kWh Ioniq and that I could afford to buy it, THAT would be a great car to get around in!

If Nissan put out a 60kWh Leaf in 2020 then I'd probably consider buying a 2 year old one in 2022. That would be a pretty nice trade up from my 24kWh, 2.5x the battery capacity is quite a step up.

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Reply # 1849062 20-Aug-2017 09:26

The Ioniqs safety features are way better than the current Leaf. The all leather interior space and comfort are superior as you would expect

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Reply # 1849072 20-Aug-2017 10:00

MikeB4:

The Ioniqs safety features are way better than the current Leaf. The all leather interior space and comfort are superior as you would expect

Yep, a 60kWh version would be a seriously good car! The 28kWh battery is the only thing that seems to be towards the lower end for a BEV.

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Reply # 1849151 20-Aug-2017 12:03

MarkH67:

Yep, a 60kWh version would be a seriously good car! The 28kWh battery is the only thing that seems to be towards the lower end for a BEV.

Who else other than Tesla have 60+ kWh batteries?

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Reply # 1849155 20-Aug-2017 12:12

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Who else other than Tesla have 60+ kWh batteries?

Hopefully everyone within the next 3-4 years. I'm thinking a 40kWh version is needed urgently to at least match the 2018 Leaf and the Renault Zoe, with a 60kWh by 2020 to match what everyone else will start offering.

Right now I think it is only Chevrolet and Tesla that have commercially available cars with a really decent range, but the 40kWh of the 2018 Leaf isn't all that bad - enough for a fairly large proportion of the trips that the majority of the motoring public make. As much as I'd love a 2018 Leaf I'll most likely skip it and make do with my 24kWh until I can buy a 60kWh at a reasonable price - I think that 60kWh is up around as much as I really need. More is always nice but of course more batteries equals more cost.

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Reply # 1849156 20-Aug-2017 12:14

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MikeB4:

The Ioniqs safety features are way better than the current Leaf. The all leather interior space and comfort are superior as you would expect

Sounds like you saw the top of the range Ioniq Elite? e.g. http://www.hyundai.co.nz/new-cars/eco/ioniq-ev/

The top of the range Leaf i.e. Tekna is probably a better comparison e.g. https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf/prices-specifications.html)

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Reply # 1849753 21-Aug-2017 11:59

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I'm sure the Gen 2 Ioniq will be a nice car but the current Ioniq disappoints me. 28kWh for the price they are asking? I can buy a Japanese import Leaf with 30kWh and the 2018 Leaf will have 40kWh, Hyundai need to get out a new version for 2018 IMO.

A 40kWh Ioniq would be seriously nice! A 60kWh Ioniq would be even better!

I really wish there was a 60kWh Ioniq and that I could afford to buy it, THAT would be a great car to get around in!

If Nissan put out a 60kWh Leaf in 2020 then I'd probably consider buying a 2 year old one in 2022. That would be a pretty nice trade up from my 24kWh, 2.5x the battery capacity is quite a step up.

Just to be clear about the battery in the Ioniq.

Hyundai reports the usable portion of their battery. It's actually a 30kWh-ish (30.5kWh?) battery but you can use 28kWh-ish.

Nissan report the full size of the battery. So in a "30kWh" LEAF, the usable portion is - in a perfect battery - 28.1kWh.

The Ioniq gets about 10% better range due to less drag, and some other tweaks.

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Reply # 1849763 21-Aug-2017 12:23

@linuxluver re type 2 to type 1 cable: am I right in thinking the utility of this cable is unknown regarding the 2018 Leaf, and won't be useful for any other EV that I'm eyeing in next few years (Ioniq, Model 3)?

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Reply # 1849858 21-Aug-2017 15:01

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Linuxluver:

Hyundai reports the usable portion of their battery. It's actually a 30kWh-ish (30.5kWh?) battery but you can use 28kWh-ish.

Nissan report the full size of the battery. So in a "30kWh" LEAF, the usable portion is - in a perfect battery - 28.1kWh.

Well, if I was buying NZ new I'd probably wait to check out the 2018 Leaf considering how expensive the Ioniq is. But if there was a 40kWh 2018 Ioniq being released then it would make sense to compare both of them. Unfortunately I can't afford to buy either car.

Today I saw a nice Tesla in Cambridge, a Model S 90D - that sort of battery storage makes me a bit envious. No one else is offering that much range currently but I'd need a big Powerball Lotto win before I'd consider dropping six figures on a car.

For me at the moment my 24kWh Leaf may be a bit lacking in range for the occasional longer trip, but my 70km daily commute is no problem even running A/C on a cold morning and then again on the return trip with the sun making the car interior a bit too hot. A/C running both ways and still had 32% battery when I got home, wasn't going slow either (was 110kph on the dash which the GPS on my phone says is 100kph real speed).

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