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  Reply # 1853581 28-Aug-2017 07:29
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Ah that's good to know should we decide to do a bit of camping in the near future, leave's the options quite open


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  Reply # 1854261 28-Aug-2017 18:36
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It's all looking good for the future of EVs: http://pushevs.com/2017/08/27/next-month-renault-nissan-mitsubishi-will-unveil-ev-platform/

 

So, I'm thinking that I should save money and consider a 2nd hand two year old car in 2022 - it looks like I could get a range of 400km+ by then.  A new car is bound to still cost quite a bit of money in 2020 but a couple of years later the same car at two years old might be a similar price to what I paid for my 2015 Leaf.


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  Reply # 1854265 28-Aug-2017 18:45
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MarkH67:

 

It's all looking good for the future of EVs: http://pushevs.com/2017/08/27/next-month-renault-nissan-mitsubishi-will-unveil-ev-platform/

 

So, I'm thinking that I should save money and consider a 2nd hand two year old car in 2022 - it looks like I could get a range of 400km+ by then.  A new car is bound to still cost quite a bit of money in 2020 but a couple of years later the same car at two years old might be a similar price to what I paid for my 2015 Leaf.

 

 

I had been wondering the same thing but the way I see it. The resale of a gen 2 car is still going to be good by the time and in the meantime I can start saving on those petrol costs. I'll still have my petrol car for those really long trips that don't have charging stations along the way and could look to replace it once the 400 to 500 km EVs are coming out. 

 

May not even sell the gen 2 car seeing as I more want to replace the petrol one and having two EVs sounds fine.


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  Reply # 1854274 28-Aug-2017 18:59
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JeezyKreezy:

 

 

 

May not even sell the gen 2 car seeing as I more want to replace the petrol one and having two EVs sounds fine.

 

 

Definitely!

 

If you can get 400+ km from an EV and being 5 years from now there will be lots more charging stations - what would you need a fossil fuel burner for?

 

In the next 3 years with no RUC the savings driving an EV every day are huge - I'll save ~$7k over the next 3 years alone!  The week before last I didn't buy any petrol and last week I didn't buy any petrol, this week . . . well, I'm taking the DR650 to the Cold Kiwi Motorcycle rally so I guess I'll have to buy some petrol, damn it!  Maybe 10 years from now the batteries will be getting so good that I'll be able to get an electric motorcycle with 250+ km (open road) range.  But week by week the savings on my daily commute keep adding up, every week that I don't spend $40 on petrol I can save that money towards my next EV.


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  Reply # 1854279 28-Aug-2017 19:02
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MarkH67:

 

JeezyKreezy:

 

 

 

May not even sell the gen 2 car seeing as I more want to replace the petrol one and having two EVs sounds fine.

 

 

Definitely!

 

If you can get 400+ km from an EV and being 5 years from now there will be lots more charging stations - what would you need a fossil fuel burner for?

 

In the next 3 years with no RUC the savings driving an EV every day are huge - I'll save ~$7k over the next 3 years alone!  The week before last I didn't buy any petrol and last week I didn't buy any petrol, this week . . . well, I'm taking the DR650 to the Cold Kiwi Motorcycle rally so I guess I'll have to buy some petrol, damn it!  Maybe 10 years from now the batteries will be getting so good that I'll be able to get an electric motorcycle with 250+ km (open road) range.  But week by week the savings on my daily commute keep adding up, every week that I don't spend $40 on petrol I can save that money towards my next EV.

 

 

 

 

Oh darn, I thought you meant you didn't have an EV yet and were deciding to wait until the 2020 models were selling used. Hah, I think we have very similar plans after all!


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  Reply # 1854280 28-Aug-2017 19:03
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And that’s exactly my position too. The ‘main’ family car became a Gen1 Leaf, with my v low daily commute (12kms return) remaining an ICE, with a view to replacing it with a 3-4 year old Model 3 in 2022(ish) once they are in my price range. By then the Gen1 Leaf will either be very low range and still be fine for my very short daily commute, or refitted with a new/recon battery pack and remain SWMBO’s while I get the Model 3 to keep low mileage (but be able to do the longer trips when nec.)

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  Reply # 1854289 28-Aug-2017 19:12
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JeezyKreezy: 

 

Oh darn, I thought you meant you didn't have an EV yet and were deciding to wait until the 2020 models were selling used. Hah, I think we have very similar plans after all!

 

 

No, burning fossil fuels every day is no good.  This is my 3rd week of driving to work in an EV and to be honest I'm loving it!  I still have to sell my Honda ST1300 since it is no longer my daily commuter, I've given it a good clean and just need to get it onto Trade Me. 

 

I have a nice advantage of running 70km/day (350km/week) which helps the savings on fuel by quite a bit while being comfortably within the available range of my 2015 Leaf's 24kWh battery.  My Leaf works great for the 70km return trip but my next EV will be more convenient for the longer drives where I'll be able to drive for up to 4 hours before making a stop for charging and eating and the call of nature.


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  Reply # 1854715 29-Aug-2017 12:23
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As time passes the distance you can drive without stopping declines.
First point is when you have kids in car then when back/bladder becomes an issue.
I read review of someone who bought Tesla and he commented that his bladder volume had become the range limiting step...

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  Reply # 1854737 29-Aug-2017 12:56
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afe66: As time passes the distance you can drive without stopping declines.
First point is when you have kids in car then when back/bladder becomes an issue.
I read review of someone who bought Tesla and he commented that his bladder volume had become the range limiting step...

 

To me, that is ideal.  I want a car that isn't the limiting factor so I can stop when I want/need to.  I intend to wait until I can have that before trading up my Leaf, until then I might as well just stick to the Leaf I have now - I don't think it will take many years anyway.


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  Reply # 1854783 29-Aug-2017 14:04
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An EV is certainly a lot more attractive proposition when the range increases. While I mostly just toddle around town and an EV would be fine 90% of the time, I do occasionally do a bit further (one trip we do to visit family is 55km each way), so a Leaf (with a couple of years use looks a bit marginal).

 

If they start to have say a 300km range then even with a bit of wear and tear thats still several hours at normal road speeds. If you have driven a couple of hundred k's you shuld take a break for a while so a recharge is not big thing.

 

It also makes the car a lot more useful item when hooked up to your roof of solar cells and you can potentially use your car for at least partially running your household power needs.

 

The future of this technology is really pretty exciting...





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  Reply # 1854854 29-Aug-2017 15:47
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I am doing more 30kWh Japanese to English conversions these days vs 24kWh. 2016 Leafs are equipped with more safety features. A number of well established dealers are bringing those 2016 models from Japan into the country. Already saw leather trim and 4 Cameras options in Japanese Leafs which previously were only available from UK imports.





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  Reply # 1854934 29-Aug-2017 20:02
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Went to Nissan dealership today to service my ex-Jap Leaf, and asked about replacing cells in the battery (10/12 bars).

 

Their technician stated that Nissan only supplies whole battery packs, and not individual cells, so yes could replace but at a cost of $16000 for whole battery pack.

 

That blows out of the water the oft-quoted figure of $US6000 (which is about 3 years old e.g. http://insideevs.com/breaking-nissan-prices-leaf-battery-replacement-5499-new-packs-heat-durable/).

 

The EV ecosystem is a pretty fast moving, but for now replacing cells on a Jap Leaf via Nissan NZ isn't in the ballpark of economical (at least not according to one Nissan NZ technician).


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  Reply # 1854935 29-Aug-2017 20:19
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That's a whole new car!


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  Reply # 1854943 29-Aug-2017 21:11
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That's what the technician said too...

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  Reply # 1854945 29-Aug-2017 21:16
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It'd be cheaper to sell the car to someone that didn't need as much range and buy one with 12 bars.

 

At least today it would, maybe in 5 years the batteries will be much cheaper and have more capacity.


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