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  Reply # 1902854 16-Nov-2017 17:13
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Or even easier (to do mentally) notice the SoC (state of charge) is 53% and the KWh is 10.1 and just double the KWh for a close estimate on your final ACTUAL battery capacity... realising that the “24KwH” battery hides about 2KwH to protect itself from reaching a damaging fully flattened state.

Then use 20KWh (yes it’s a 24kw model) and multiply it by the 6.44 Km/KWh in the bottom corner of the second pic and find your (rough) expected average ‘full’ distance of 120kms...


while some on here report heroic Km/KWh averages like 8.5k/KWh, with experience and using eco mode most of the time, we have a mixed driving (freeway and down roughly 50/50) average of 6.6... and started off around 5.5 before ‘learning’ how to drive more efficiently.

Lastly, I’d definitely want to geek up a whole lot more than you have so far on how to assess the potential value of a Leaf before ever dealing with a salesman who doesn’t even know if he’s selling a 24 or 30 KWh car!

More importantly, does it have a CHaDeMO port?
Is it a 3.3 or 6.6 internal charger?
Is it a 15A or 8-10A EVSA being supplied for home charging?

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  Reply # 1902877 16-Nov-2017 18:37
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My understanding for a 24 or 30 kw is the chassis number if it is AZE0 2xxxxx then it is a 30kw if it is AZE0 1xxxxx then it is a 24 but I may be wrong

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1903030 16-Nov-2017 22:34
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frednz:

 

IcI:

 

frednz: ... If this vehicle had a range of at least 200km, ...

 

My 12 bar 24Kw Leaf has a max range of 150kms. With your expectations, you are going to wait a long while to buy an EV. In the meantime, I am going to enjoy $0 petrol costs and 'zero emission' driving.

 

 

Well, the new Nissan Leaf has a range of 150 miles (242 km), so this will be here before too long. Now, I wonder whether the battery used in the new Nissan Leaf will be able to be purchased in NZ and fitted to earlier versions of the Leaf?

 

There are a few other EVs that have a range of at least 200km that I can buy now, such as the Hyundai Ionic, the BMWi3, the Renault Zoe and soon the Volkswagen e-Golf. So, I don't think my expectations are too high, but my bank balance certainly needs to be on the high side to get into the 200km EV league!

 

Thanks, you make my point for me. Note that in my original quote I included '... this vehicle...'. A Nissan Leaf with 7/12 bars of battery health. Show me an Ionic, i3 or Zoe in that state available right now. By the time these cars are in that state, they will have lost some of that range and your bank balance doesn't need to be that high.


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  Reply # 1903058 16-Nov-2017 22:50
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freeland: I finally got a ODBII dongle and went to test drive a 2016 Japanese S model today. I must say the LeafSpy app is a bit daunting at first...

 

The NZ EV Owners Facebook group has a post on 2017/08/31 by Gary Stewart who uploaded a LeafSpy Help 1.1.0 PDF.


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  Reply # 1903127 17-Nov-2017 09:10
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tripper1000:

 

frednz:

 

 

 

Now, in the above "emergency" example, if you have only a quarter of a tank of petrol in your ICE vehicle, you are likely to have a range of at least 150 km, which isn't too bad. But, if your 80km range Nissan Leaf only has one-quarter if its charge left, then you are in a lot worse situation because you only have 20km of range left.

 

This range analogy where a portion of a tank of gas is compared to the same portion of battery charge in an EV, while common and appears to fair by comparing apples to apples, is disingenuous because it fails to consider the fundament differences and habits in refuelling ICE and EV's.

 

Because an EV battery is replenished daily and at home (not once a week at a gas stations), in an emergency at home it is more likely to be near 100% charged than 25% charged.

 

 

 

 

I guess this depends on whether the owner of a low-range EV has run the battery right down when the vehicle arrives back home. I have read countless stories here and on Facebook where people report that they arrived home with very little battery charge remaining.

 

So, if this low-range EV is the only vehicle you own and you unexpectedly need to use the car a few minutes after you arrive back home, it may not have charged up sufficiently to give you the range that you need, even for a relatively short trip. That's the point that would worry me if I didn't also own a second car that was available for use in such situations.

 

With my petrol car, I never the let the fuel run down to less than 25%, so this always ensures that the vehicle is available for at least 150kms should I need to use it unexpectedly.

 

 


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  Reply # 1903165 17-Nov-2017 10:54
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It will come down to risk analysis and cost benefits.

 

If you are concerned about arriving home with no power and need to leave again in a hurry you have some options.

 

1) spend more on a car with a bigger battery

 

2) buy a fast (faster) charger for home

 

3) charge during the day.

 

4) get to know your neighbors so you feel comfortable knocking on their door at short notice.

 

 

 

All these things will mitigate the risk.
Electric cars can force you to change your mindset, and be realistic about your needs and risks.
They may not suit everyone yet but are possible in most cases.

 

Yes there are issues and may not be for everyone but I suspect would suit most people.
If you are replacing an old car there is a very strong case to buy electric now and will be even stronger in 5 years,
Personally I think if you are a two car family at least one of your cars could be electric now in 95% of all cases.

 

 


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  Reply # 1903170 17-Nov-2017 11:05
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frednz:So, if this low-range EV is the only vehicle you own and you unexpectedly need to use the car a few minutes after you arrive back home, it may not have charged up sufficiently to give you the range that you need, even for a relatively short trip. That's the point that would worry me if I didn't also own a second car that was available for use in such situations.

 

No one is saying that a Leaf with a tired battery is a one-size-fits-all car for everyone, just that it is an affordable solution for many. It is really a city commuter and if you live rural and/or need to make two long journeys in short succession then it clearly isn't the car for you. You can probably think of hypothetical circumstances in which any car ever made would be no good for you - that doesn't mean all cars are bad.


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  Reply # 1903189 17-Nov-2017 12:16
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frednz:

 

 

 

With my petrol car, I never the let the fuel run down to less than 25%, so this always ensures that the vehicle is available for at least 150kms should I need to use it unexpectedly.

 

 

I don't think you're really talking about EV vs ICE here, you're talking about your specific scenario and also doing some cherry picking here.  But playing your game, have you taken into consideration the unreliable nature of ICE cars?  Over the years I've had several issues that would disqualify my car from being suitable in an 'emergency'. All these things mean that if you need your ICE vehicle in an 'emergency' then you'll need a backup plan as well:

 

failed starter motor (no start)

 

broken timing belt (no start)

 

fuel pump clogged (no start)

 

broken crankshaft (lots of smoke then stall)

 

Failed alternator (no start)

 

Bad ignition cable (no start)

 

bad distributor cap (no start)

 

bad spark plug (no start)

 

clogged fuel filter (no start)

 

water in fuel (no start)

 

 


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  Reply # 1903200 17-Nov-2017 12:58
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Nope..none of my cars have suffered from the problems you list. This is probably because I have always bought NZ New and had them serviced regularly and not owned them for more than 3 years. I will do this with EVS also when I can get a NZ New for 30000 instead of the present price of 60000!

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  Reply # 1903430 17-Nov-2017 20:00
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Could we please keep this thread Leaf related? Even better related to experience with Nissan Leaf in New Zealand as it is quite interesting.

 

Today I visited Japanese Solutions Ltd in Penrose. These boys specialize in printed booklets for JDM selected makes and models. Got labels for Nissan Leaf AV unit buttons from them.

 

Was told that perhaps every 1 out of 3 Leafs sold in New Zealand got User Manual in English made by those guys.

 

Company is owned by Japanese and Kiwi stuff also speak Japanese.

 

FYI: Although PDF versions of User Manuals for UK / USA leafs are downloadable from Internet, some features like FEB or LDW are only found in JDM Leaf. And of course having printed book is always better IMO than pdf file.





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  Reply # 1903444 17-Nov-2017 20:20
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RUKI:

Could we please keep this thread Leaf related? Even better related to experience with Nissan Leaf in New Zealand as it is quite interesting.


Today I visited Japanese Solutions Ltd in Penrose. These boys specialize in printed booklets for JDM selected makes and models. Got labels for Nissan Leaf AV unit buttons from them.


Was told that perhaps every 1 out of 3 Leafs sold in New Zealand got User Manual in English made by those guys.


Company is owned by Japanese and Kiwi stuff also speak Japanese.


FYI: Although PDF versions of User Manuals for UK / USA leafs are downloadable from Internet, some features like FEB or LDW are only found in JDM Leaf. And of course having printed book is always better IMO than pdf file.



Awesome, though a PDF is searchable, do they have a PDF version?

A physical book just takes up space in the glove box





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  Reply # 1903506 17-Nov-2017 23:01
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And what might their contact be (and price) for those stickers, as many on here might be keen to get some following their Jap-Eng dash conversion - like you did for me already?

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  Reply # 1903647 18-Nov-2017 12:15
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PhantomNVD: And what might their contact be ....

 

I spoke to John and Rodney. Their office # (09)5792212





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  Reply # 1903686 18-Nov-2017 15:32
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Not sure if this is better or worse than being ICE’d

Click to see full size

Not only does he take a whole hour to charge up... BEFORE my 20 min charge, but he looks so cool I wish I had one too! 🤦🏼‍♂️

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  Reply # 1903961 19-Nov-2017 11:07
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RUKI:

 

Could we please keep this thread Leaf related? Even better related to experience with Nissan Leaf in New Zealand as it is quite interesting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed. LEAFs are not available "NZ new", so if that's how someone "always" buys cars, and does it every three years or less, he is obviously able to sustain the frightening depreciation losses involved ... and not likely to encounter like minds at a forum discussing topics of interest to owners of a Leading, Environmentally-friendly, Affordable, Family car.


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