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  Reply # 1909441 29-Nov-2017 11:21
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Does anyone else find braking at slow speeds to be *very* touchy when driving in B mode? I swear the people behind me think i'm a learner when in stop/start traffic, as the difference between a gradual slow down and a quick stop on the brake pedal is probably like 1mm. 


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  Reply # 1909520 29-Nov-2017 12:45
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Haven't noticed @Jeeves - hardly use brakes with B mode around town until I've almost slowed to a stop anyway - but in response to @krazykid, I'd highly recommend getting one with B mode.


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1909542 29-Nov-2017 13:05
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Jeeves:

Does anyone else find braking at slow speeds to be *very* touchy when driving in B mode? I swear the people behind me think i'm a learner when in stop/start traffic, as the difference between a gradual slow down and a quick stop on the brake pedal is probably like 1mm. 



Yeah, the brake pedal can sometimes have a high resistance at slow speeds and require more pressure to get any braking, then when it does move suddenly you’re stopped. I do remember reading something about Nissan being able to do a software update to fix this, maybe I’ll ask next time I take it in for a service.

Ps, mines a 2016 X





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  Reply # 1911300 30-Nov-2017 19:19
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IcI:

 

For those that do have a rear view camera installed in your Leaf, do you notice that it seems to easily get wet?

 

 

Wet and subsequently dirty, had to clean it manually a couple of times as I couldn't see a think through it.

 

It appears to get as dirty as the back gets.

 

 




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  Reply # 1912136 2-Dec-2017 21:53
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frednz:

 

I guess this depends on whether the owner of a low-range EV has run the battery right down when the vehicle arrives back home. I have read countless stories here and on Facebook where people report that they arrived home with very little battery charge remaining.

 

So, if this low-range EV is the only vehicle you own and you unexpectedly need to use the car a few minutes after you arrive back home, it may not have charged up sufficiently to give you the range that you need, even for a relatively short trip. That's the point that would worry me if I didn't also own a second car that was available for use in such situations.

 

With my petrol car, I never the let the fuel run down to less than 25%, so this always ensures that the vehicle is available for at least 150kms should I need to use it unexpectedly.

 

 

That is a risk. I'm lucky in that I live 300 metres from the two Vector fast chargers at Greenlane. If I do need a quick zap I pop around there for 5 - 10 mins. No point topping up more than that unless I suddenly find I need to cross the North Island. Doesn't happen. :-)  I'll finish it at home later or top up again if I need to. 

But this is also why I installed a 32amp charger at my house in Opotiki. The nearest fast charger is in Whakatane about 45km away. To get there takes about 20% of a full charge. at 32amp I can add 25% in one hour. So worst-case scenario is probably a 30 minute charge to get to 30%.....assuming I got as low as 15-20%.....which is rare. 

Once at Whakatane I can charge as high as a I want to in under half an hour and head off wherever. 

The 30kWh LEAF actually works pretty well. In 18 months I've never had a long-distance  emergency......We can imagine these things easily enough, but in reality they are rare...and easy to prepare for (just keep your car charged). 






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  Reply # 1912138 2-Dec-2017 21:56
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PhantomNVD: Not sure if this is better or worse than being ICE’d

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Not only does he take a whole hour to charge up... BEFORE my 20 min charge, but he looks so cool I wish I had one too! 🤦🏼‍♂️

 

That's Darryl Naidoo's Tesla. :-) 






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  Reply # 1912140 2-Dec-2017 21:59
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Cybnate:

 

IcI:

 

For those that do have a rear view camera installed in your Leaf, do you notice that it seems to easily get wet?

 

 

Wet and subsequently dirty, had to clean it manually a couple of times as I couldn't see a think through it.

 

It appears to get as dirty as the back gets.

 

 

I have a wee micro-fibre cloth in the boot for cleaning these.....but as often as not I just wipe my finger over the lens and it's more than clear enough. 

My LEAF has 4 cameras for a 360 view - one under each side mirror, one on the charging hatch below the Nissan logo and the usual one at the back. I give them all a wipe whenever I think of it. Takes about 30 seconds to walk around the car.  





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  Reply # 1912143 2-Dec-2017 22:03
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Jeeves:

 

Does anyone else find braking at slow speeds to be *very* touchy when driving in B mode? I swear the people behind me think i'm a learner when in stop/start traffic, as the difference between a gradual slow down and a quick stop on the brake pedal is probably like 1mm. 

 

 

I've heard people complain of grabby brakes. It's not a problem with my LEAF. (UK "Tekna"). 

But I also have B-Mode and tend to only use the brake for unplanned quick slowing down (accident avoidance) or just at the very end of a B-Mode regen slowdown. Those signs 200m from tight corner or an intersection on the highway are handy reference point for taking the foot off the accelerator and letting B-Mode almost stop the car. Why waste a chance to make more power? :-) (Yes, the brakes regen, too......but they shorten the time.) 

 

You can partially emulate B-mode by lightly pressing the brakes to start regen.....but you're still using the brakes......(wear and tear). 





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  Reply # 1912145 2-Dec-2017 22:32
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I did some driving this week. 

I think I'm going to declare "range anxiety" dead across most of urban NZ. At least for the 30kWh Nissan LEAF anyway. 

On Tuesday I drove from Auckland to Opotiki on a route that included the several "new" DC fast chargers on the Coromandel.....and required me to go right round the Coromandel. That was 500km in just over 7 hours. I stopped for a lot of photos, so this time is just how long it took me doing whatever I was doing. 

Notable leg: Tairua to Tuaranga and arrived on 31%. 



The next day I mowed the lawn in the morning (electric E-GO mower, of course) and then decided to drive most of the way to Napier to take 360 VR photos of the two "new" fast chargers are Rangitaiki and Te Haroto on SH 5........on my way back to Auckland. That was 649km all up and took me 9 hours and 52 mins of traveling time. 

Notable leg: Taupo to Cambridge and arrived on 29%. 



I guess the point of this for me was that at no time was I worried about my range. I charged when and where I needed to and both drives was just lovely great tours. :-) 

If anything the stops I did have to make made the day more relaxing and enjoyable....and I didn't feel particularly tired at any point. 

Why do it at all? I've done 360VR images of the majority of the DC fast chargers in NZ from Cape Reinga to Bluff.....and this was a chance to capture photos of a few that have opened recently that I hadn't taken 360 VR images of. 

 






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  Reply # 1912839 4-Dec-2017 17:39
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2017 Nissan Leaf 30X - Low mileage, larger capacity battery, range of 220km. 12/12 bar battery, 100% State Of Battery Health (SOH).

 

http://www.hopmans.co.nz/vehicle/2017-Nissan-LEAF/8033?s=1

 

Has anyone managed to get a range of 220km out of a 30X Nissan Leaf?


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  Reply # 1912845 4-Dec-2017 17:44
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frednz:
2017 Nissan Leaf 30X - Low mileage, larger capacity battery, range of 220km. 12/12 bar battery, 100% State Of Battery Health (SOH).

 

http://www.hopmans.co.nz/vehicle/2017-Nissan-LEAF/8033?s=1

 

Has anyone managed to get a range of 220km out of a 30X Nissan Leaf?

 

 

I'm sure you could easily do 220km & more, just need to stick to 50kph zones and drive gently.  At 100kph it would not be possible though.


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  Reply # 1912851 4-Dec-2017 18:00
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MarkH67:

 

frednz:
2017 Nissan Leaf 30X - Low mileage, larger capacity battery, range of 220km. 12/12 bar battery, 100% State Of Battery Health (SOH).

 

http://www.hopmans.co.nz/vehicle/2017-Nissan-LEAF/8033?s=1

 

Has anyone managed to get a range of 220km out of a 30X Nissan Leaf?

 

 

I'm sure you could easily do 220km & more, just need to stick to 50kph zones and drive gently.  At 100kph it would not be possible though.

 

 

Thanks Mark, it's a bit difficult to stick to 50kph zones if I want to drive from, say, Napier to Taupo. Perhaps dealers should say what the range is "around town" and also what it would be on a trip that involves some driving at 100kph. Isn't it misleading advertising to make the claim of a range of 220km without specifying that this is only if you stick to 50kph zones?

 

Even around town, I haven't read about any Leaf owners who claim to have achieved a range of 220km or more.

 

 


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  Reply # 1912890 4-Dec-2017 19:31
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Well Google seems to have many testimonials of RL experience that give it 120-130miles = 190-210kms (summer with aircon) and 85-100miles or 135-160kms (in winter - UK) so anything that advertised THIS or THAT range in town or freeway would be equally wrong.

EV’s are much more about how you drive and the ambient temp has a major effect on battery capabilities too...

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  Reply # 1912909 4-Dec-2017 20:22
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PhantomNVD: Well Google seems to have many testimonials of RL experience that give it 120-130miles = 190-210kms (summer with aircon) and 85-100miles or 135-160kms (in winter - UK) so anything that advertised THIS or THAT range in town or freeway would be equally wrong.

EV’s are much more about how you drive and the ambient temp has a major effect on battery capabilities too...

 

The EPA test cycle was designed so that an EV is run at various different speeds over a test to emulate a representative mix of motorway and city driving. This gives a much fairer estimate of range than just quoting the "around town" range.

 

To advertise that the 30kWh Leaf has a range of 220km when the new 40kWh 2018 Leaf is quoted as only having a range of 242km (150 miles), perhaps shows that NZ needs some EV advertising standards for sellers to follow.


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  Reply # 1913214 5-Dec-2017 11:04
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I just looked up the data from the reputable source - Idaho Lab who does test all types of Hybrids and EV in their multi-million dollar Lab with cars under test in the field being equipped with data loggers.

 

In brief: Capacity loss in Leafs ~38% after 24000 miles:

 

Capacity Tests in Leafs

 

Fast Chargers (DCFC) degrade battery faster and impacts capacity (results after 63000 miles):

 

Fast Chargers Impact





Toyota / Lexus Hybrid and EV Battery Expert Battery Test & Repair 

 

 


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