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  #1494060 17-Feb-2016 14:52
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

 

And as a final note, Mike Hoskings doesn't like either.

 

 

If Mike hosking is against them then even better to like them !!!

 

 

 

 

 

No show stoppers in your list...this is early generation model, I'd imagine improvements will continue in leaps and bounds. 

 

Fuel cell technology has great potential too, agree with you there but the tech is more complex.  

 

I'm just saying, this is the first EV which I could see as being my main vehicle. 


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  #1494064 17-Feb-2016 14:57
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Hoskings; an expert on everything whether or not he knows anything about it. To be derided.

 

 

 

As above, I've seen many comments regarding the "not-quite-there" build quality of the Teslas. Gives me the impression that they're a bit like Alfa Romeo's, loved by the people that own them, but just too many "issues" to really make it in the mainstream. (I still miss my 147...)

 

 





 
 
 
 


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  #1494075 17-Feb-2016 15:20
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I saw a black Model S on SH2 in Wellington yesterday - heading into town as I was heading home. I nearly drove into the median barrier spinning my head around to get a second look when I realised what it was.

 

Like others, this would be close to the top of my list if I suddenly came into a lot of money. I have family in Auckland so drive up/back a couple of times a year, so I'd need to be confident in teh charging network, but stopping in Taupo for a lunch break and connecting connecting to a charger for half an hour or so doesn't seem like a burden. I see one crowd (charge.net.nz) saying they'll charge 25 cents per minute for charging, so 30 minutes is $7.50 - better than filling up the tank in Turangi.


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  #1494108 17-Feb-2016 15:50
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Let's assume - there no more or just few gas cars around (in few years) and we drive all electric.

 

Let's assume "fast charging" takes 30 minutes on average.

 

Let's assume majority of cars do have the range (based on current Nissan Leaf as exampe)- 25% of current range the gas car can provide.

 

That would be an estimated requirement to have ~30*4=120 times more "re-filling" "stables" vs existing number of "gas stables".

 

If you picture that in your head and see current BP/Gull/Z station having not 6 but ~700 "EV Stables", hm where are they going to get extra space for that?

 

Mr Minister of Transport needs to think how they are going to assist building that infrastructure into the future ...

 

Spark has started with their Phone Boxes - even if they use them all in the country - it is still not enough...

 

http://www.spark.co.nz/plug

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDRzEIWnMY


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  #1494118 17-Feb-2016 16:07
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RUKI:

 

Let's assume - there no more or just few gas cars around (in few years) and we drive all electric.

 

Let's assume "fast charging" takes 30 minutes on average.

 

Let's assume majority of cars do have the range (based on current Nissan Leaf as exampe)- 25% of current range the gas car can provide.

 

That would be an estimated requirement to have ~30*4=120 times more "re-filling" "stables" vs existing number of "gas stables".

 

If you picture that in your head and see current BP/Gull/Z station having not 6 but ~700 "EV Stables", hm whe

 

 

At your house, in your driveway or garage. It will take a city planning shift to get away from the absurdity of people living here, and working all the way over there, and having to travel between them for a long distance every day. That didnt happen pre-suberbia, which only worked because of the invention of the car. To get away from the need for all that car use it will take a move away from suburban zoned living madness.





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  #1494158 17-Feb-2016 16:54
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fantastic car but best at what ?

 

new age status symbol ?

 

there are prettier cars.

 

faster.

 

better handling.

 

better value for money

 

and it will be many decades before the internal combustion engine is extinct.

 

 


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  #1494183 17-Feb-2016 17:23
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RUKI: If you picture that in your head and see current BP/Gull/Z station having not 6 but ~700 "EV Stables", hm where are they going to get extra space for that?

 

You are quite right.

 

I believe the Tesla approach (or something they are planning) is to swap a fully charged battery for your discharged one.  This would still require substantial space for charging racks but a whole lot less than needing space to park cars for 30 minutes at at time.

 

The Tesla cars do seem like a good option.


 
 
 
 


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  #1494186 17-Feb-2016 17:31
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RUKI:

 

Let's assume - there no more or just few gas cars around (in few years) and we drive all electric.

 

Let's assume "fast charging" takes 30 minutes on average.

 

Let's assume majority of cars do have the range (based on current Nissan Leaf as exampe)- 25% of current range the gas car can provide.

 

That would be an estimated requirement to have ~30*4=120 times more "re-filling" "stables" vs existing number of "gas stables".

 

If you picture that in your head and see current BP/Gull/Z station having not 6 but ~700 "EV Stables", hm where are they going to get extra space for that?

 

Mr Minister of Transport needs to think how they are going to assist building that infrastructure into the future ...

 

Spark has started with their Phone Boxes - even if they use them all in the country - it is still not enough...

 

http://www.spark.co.nz/plug

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDRzEIWnMY

 

 

That's why we need induction charging. The faster you drive the greater the charge!





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  #1494190 17-Feb-2016 17:57
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RUKI:

 

Let's assume majority of cars do have the range (based on current Nissan Leaf as exampe)- 25% of current range the gas car can provide.

 

That would be an estimated requirement to have ~30*4=120 times more "re-filling" "stables" vs existing number of "gas stables".

 

If you picture that in your head and see current BP/Gull/Z station having not 6 but ~700 "EV Stables", hm where are they going to get extra space for that?

 

 

I don't believe some your assumptions apply. 

 

There will only be mass adoption when EV's have both the driving range and cost sorted. The driving range problem is mostly solved, as proven by tesla.  You cannot use the nissan leaf range for your 'mass adoption' example.

 

 

 

Shopping malls/supermarkets/fast food outlets could offer charging ports in their carparks - big mac and would your car like some electrons to go with that. 

 

You may not need significant plant investment as with petroleum filling stations.  

 

 

 

 




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  #1494223 17-Feb-2016 18:21
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ilovemusic:

 

fantastic car but best at what ?

 

and it will be many decades before the internal combustion engine is extinct.

 

 

There will likely always be a place for traditional engines -- such as in trucks or extreme environments. 

 

Other than that, once EV cost comes down not many people will own cars with pistons for personal use. 

 

 

 

 


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  #1494230 17-Feb-2016 18:36
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timmmay:

 

USA is 120V at 15A whereas NZ is 220V at 10A. We do get a bit more power per socket, 2400W vs 1800W.

 

I'm looking forward to electric cars being cheaper than petrol ones. Motors should be cheaper, I guess it's batteries that will keep the costs up - plus of course all the electrics and the metal.

 

 

It may be quite inexpensive to get a standard 15A socket wired in - if your switchboard is in the garage.  


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  #1494240 17-Feb-2016 19:04
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A 15a can normally go on a standard power circuit. 20a needs dedicated tho.




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  #1494248 17-Feb-2016 19:39
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ilovemusic:


fantastic car but best at what ?


and it will be many decades before the internal combustion engine is extinct.



There will likely always be a place for traditional engines -- such as in trucks or extreme environments. 


Other than that, once EV cost comes down not many people will own cars with pistons for personal use. 


 


 



Yes and i would like a 2L twin turbo v8 in my next car




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  #1494351 17-Feb-2016 20:31
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If you picture that in your head and see current BP/Gull/Z station having not 6 but ~700 "EV Stables", hm where are they going to get extra space for that?

 

The key advantage of electric cars is that you can charge them at home. Plug it in when you get home, wake up every morning with a full battery. Public charging only has any value if you are going to drive more than your car's range in a day. I would pick 95%+ of charging will take place at home.


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  #1494361 17-Feb-2016 20:37
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I would absolutely love a Tesla Model S, it's one of my favourite cars. But if I did own one the only thing that I'd miss is the sound.

 

While the hum of a EV zipping down the road is cool, it's hard to beat the sound when you have your foot down in a V8 etc.





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