Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | ... | 94 | 95 | 96 | 97 | 98 | 99 | 100 | 101 | 102 | 103 | 104 | 105 | 106 | 107 | 108 | 109 | 110 | 111 | 112 | 113 | 114 | ... | 209
500 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 2057588 17-Jul-2018 09:36
Send private message quote this post

MikeAqua:

 

You also introduce operational headaches around charging.  With an ICEV you have booked was left low on fuel by the last user, it's a minor inconvenience to fill it up.  With an EV it's a major delay.

 

 

People don't top up with petrol when they've used a car and are likely to run it down and leave it to be the next persons problem. With an EV all vehicles could be full charged every morning giving a whole days usage, most likely with no-one ever having to be concerned about running empty. Each time the cars go back to base they could also be plugged in for a top up. 


510 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  # 2057601 17-Jul-2018 10:18
Send private message quote this post

Teeps:

MikeAqua:


You also introduce operational headaches around charging.  With an ICEV you have booked was left low on fuel by the last user, it's a minor inconvenience to fill it up.  With an EV it's a major delay.



People don't top up with petrol when they've used a car and are likely to run it down and leave it to be the next persons problem. With an EV all vehicles could be full charged every morning giving a whole days usage, most likely with no-one ever having to be concerned about running empty. Each time the cars go back to base they could also be plugged in for a top up. 



Each time a vehicle comes back from use it could be topped up with fuel too, just as you have aluded too for the EV - and yet you're saying that they don't? What mkes you think the vehicle being an EV will make any difference?

For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site. And yet, people still don't. (We also have a policy of filling out a book to document trips etc - and it's the same people who don't fill the vehicles up that don't fill the books out either...)

It will take a mindset change, and to be fair, some people are just selfish a's that you aren't going to change regardless, but it is worth doing.

I think there is plenty of scope to for Government to change a significant amount of it's vehicles over to EV, and if the PR was done right - in the same way Air New Zealand, WestPac and Meridian are doing it - there would be little public backlash and much more acceptance that government was doing it's bit to help with reducing emissions.


 
 
 
 


500 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 2057613 17-Jul-2018 10:29
Send private message quote this post

Ge0rge:

Each time a vehicle comes back from use it could be topped up with fuel too, just as you have aluded too for the EV - and yet you're saying that they don't? What mkes you think the vehicle being an EV will make any difference?

For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site. And yet, people still don't. (We also have a policy of filling out a book to document trips etc - and it's the same people who don't fill the vehicles up that don't fill the books out either...)

It will take a mindset change, and to be fair, some people are just selfish a's that you aren't going to change regardless, but it is worth doing.

I think there is plenty of scope to for Government to change a significant amount of it's vehicles over to EV, and if the PR was done right - in the same way Air New Zealand, WestPac and Meridian are doing it - there would be little public backlash and much more acceptance that government was doing it's bit to help with reducing emissions.

 

 

 

You're correct, and ICE vehicle could be topped up each and every time it's used, but that would mean a petrol station on site as you have with your company, at MUCH greater cost than installing an EV charging point in each and every pool car parking space. It would also take a lot longer to go to the pump and top up with a few litres of fuel and then find a parking space than it does to plug the car in after you have already parked, thus saving time and wage costs.

 

The fact that some people don't follow company policy to top up the vehicle and fill out documentation just means that policy needs enforcing better. If people have got away with not doing it for a long time without repercussion it wont change until they are forced to.

 

 


5385 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2057815 17-Jul-2018 15:29
Send private message quote this post

Ge0rge:

 


For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site. And yet, people still don't. (We also have a policy of filling out a book to document trips etc - and it's the same people who don't fill the vehicles up that don't fill the books out either...)


 

Ditto last two places I worked that had car fleets.  You would hope people would be more considerate with an EV - but as you note there are always those people who don't top up cars.

 

If you have a compulsory charge after use policy, then you will need to have quite a few charge points relative to your number of EVs - especially if long trips are common.  This can be problematic at sites with lots of busy electric forklifts.  That could get interesting from a capex perspective.

 

You also need to allow time in the car booking system for charging after use.  That could get interesting.





Mike

5385 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2057817 17-Jul-2018 15:31
Send private message quote this post

Teeps:

 

You're correct, and ICE vehicle could be topped up each and every time it's used, but that would mean a petrol station on site as you have with your company, at MUCH greater cost than installing an EV charging point in each and every pool car parking space.

 

 

We never had our own fuel supply anywhere I worked.  Just went via the service station on the way back to HQ.

 

But we had a half full policy.





Mike

4103 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2057838 17-Jul-2018 16:04
Send private message quote this post

Ge0rge:
For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site.

 

What's the H&S + hazardous goods overhead on that.....


510 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  # 2057845 17-Jul-2018 16:18
Send private message quote this post

wellygary:

Ge0rge:
For context, where I work has a policy of every vehicle being refuelled after every trip, regardless of distance etc. We even have fuel on every site.


What's the H&S + hazardous goods overhead on that.....



Well worth it when the heavy truck fleet alone is over 1200 vehicles!

 
 
 
 


5385 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2057849 17-Jul-2018 16:34
Send private message quote this post

wellygary:

 

What's the H&S + hazardous goods overhead on that.....

 

 

Much less drama for diesel than petrol or LPG.

 

 





Mike



5452 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 2058140 18-Jul-2018 09:34
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post


The government is also going to be making some kind of EV  announcement today, I'm told. 

Can someone post links / summary when it's out? 

I'm at work in Brisbane all day so won't have my ears on. 





____________________________________________________
If you order a Tesla, use my referral code to get free stuff. 

 

My Tesla referral code: https://ts.la/steve52356


4103 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2058188 18-Jul-2018 10:03
Send private message quote this post

Linuxluver:

 


The government is also going to be making some kind of EV  announcement today, I'm told. 

 

Where did you hear this, 

 

I suspect its not likely to be anything major,

 

( or maybe it will be total greenwash, like Kiwirail signing up to a "commitment to help New Zealand transition to a low emissions economy"

 

while it buys more diesel locomotives, to replace electric ones it is scrapping on the NIMT)


5385 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2058202 18-Jul-2018 10:21
Send private message quote this post

wellygary:

 

Linuxluver:

 


The government is also going to be making some kind of EV  announcement today, I'm told. 

 

Where did you hear this, 

 

 

It was being discussed (speculated upon) on the AM show today.  Garner suggested a $2k subsidy would encourage to buy EVs.  Presumably he was thinking about used vehicles, as the premium on the new EV is more like $20k.

 

I noticed a car dealership in Nelson had a couple of 2 or 3 year old imported Leaves for about $30k each (sticker price).  Still seems quite expensive - especially for an import.





Mike

1402 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2058268 18-Jul-2018 11:06
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

So not only are the running costs subsidized, but the purchase price too? Great for everyone who can drop the cash on an EV that fits in with their lifestyle, bad news for everyone else underwriting it. 


5073 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 2058279 18-Jul-2018 11:21
2 people support this post
Send private message quote this post

GV27:

 

So not only are the running costs subsidized, but the purchase price too? Great for everyone who can drop the cash on an EV that fits in with their lifestyle, bad news for everyone else underwriting it. 

 

 

 

 

Once again, the entire point of the subsidy is to encourage you to be the EV buyer, not the ICE underwriter. If it is funded as I suggested by a small tax on ICE imports then the 99.99% of people who are not currently buying a car won't be underwriting anything, and the 0.01% who are but choose an ICE vehicle anyway can deal with it.





iPad Pro 11" + iPhone XS + 2degrees 4tw!

 

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.


1402 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2058286 18-Jul-2018 11:39
One person supports this post
Send private message quote this post

SaltyNZ:

 

GV27:

 

So not only are the running costs subsidized, but the purchase price too? Great for everyone who can drop the cash on an EV that fits in with their lifestyle, bad news for everyone else underwriting it. 

 

 

Once again, the entire point of the subsidy is to encourage you to be the EV buyer, not the ICE underwriter. If it is funded as I suggested by a small tax on ICE imports then the 99.99% of people who are not currently buying a car won't be underwriting anything, and the 0.01% who are but choose an ICE vehicle anyway can deal with it.

 

 

Have you every wondered why there's so many Swifts on the market at around $7K and Nissan Leafs are priced around $15K and up? It could do with the amount of money most normal people have to spend on a car when they go to buy one. 

 

Meanwhile, those people keep paying fuel taxes and RUC and people who have the means and lifestyle to make electric cars work for them get...another hand-out. 


1066 posts

Uber Geek


  # 2058287 18-Jul-2018 11:46
Send private message quote this post

MikeAqua: You also introduce operational headaches around charging.  With an ICEV you have booked was left low on fuel by the last user, it's a minor inconvenience to fill it up.  With an EV it's a major delay.

 

I'm sure some people will go out of their way to sabotage company EV's, but there would have been horse fans in 1904 doing the same thing with the model T, and donkey and ox fans doing the same before that to horses - it means there's something wrong with the person, not the technology. Same type of person will likely also economically sabotage the company in other ways such as leaving computers, A/C and lights on overnight.

 

I've worked at a couple of places that have electric forklifts and electric snorkel lifts. I'm sure some retards purposefully don't plug them in at the end of the day simply because they prefer petrol/diesel and are trying to ensure the battery vehicle fails. (I love electric equipment over diesel because it is so much cleaner and quieter and nicer if you are working indoors or close to it).

 

There are a bunch of wireless options for EV and I reckon once the world settles on one standard this will become standard on fleet cars. Just by parking it in it's spot it will get recharged, so the special people will have no excuse.

 

 


1 | ... | 94 | 95 | 96 | 97 | 98 | 99 | 100 | 101 | 102 | 103 | 104 | 105 | 106 | 107 | 108 | 109 | 110 | 111 | 112 | 113 | 114 | ... | 209
Filter this topic showing only the reply marked as answer View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Arlo unveils its first video doorbell
Posted 21-Oct-2019 08:27


New Zealand students shortlisted for James Dyson Award
Posted 21-Oct-2019 08:18


Norton LifeLock Launches Norton 360
Posted 21-Oct-2019 08:11


Microsoft New Zealand Partner Awards results
Posted 18-Oct-2019 10:18


Logitech introduces new Made for Google keyboard and mouse devices
Posted 16-Oct-2019 13:36


MATTR launches to accelerate decentralised identity
Posted 16-Oct-2019 10:28


Vodafone X-Squad powers up for customers
Posted 16-Oct-2019 08:15


D Link ANZ launches EXO Smart Mesh Wi Fi Routers with McAfee protection
Posted 15-Oct-2019 11:31


Major Japanese retailer partners with smart New Zealand technology IMAGR
Posted 14-Oct-2019 10:29


Ola pioneers one-time passcode feature to fight rideshare fraud
Posted 14-Oct-2019 10:24


Spark Sport new home of NZC matches from 2020
Posted 10-Oct-2019 09:59


Meet Nola, Noel Leeming's new digital employee
Posted 4-Oct-2019 08:07


Registrations for Sprout Accelerator open for 2020 season
Posted 4-Oct-2019 08:02


Teletrac Navman welcomes AI tech leader Jens Meggers as new President
Posted 4-Oct-2019 07:41


Vodafone makes voice of 4G (VoLTE) official
Posted 4-Oct-2019 07:36



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.