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alasta
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  #2103222 8-Oct-2018 10:50
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PolicyGuy:

 

alasta:
For me 400km is the sweet spot. Any less would be impractical, and any more would have very limited utility assuming that the battery capacity doesn't diminish significantly over the period of my ownership.

 

Whereas for me somewhere around 250 - 300km will be fine.
If I can do Whanganui to Wellington and return, with a fast charge somewhere around the half way point - that's Levin, so the charge could be anywhere from Foxton to Otaki - then I'll be sweet. Particularly if I only need to charge either on the way south or the way north, but not both. My 'usual' destination in Wellington has just put in an EV charge point (blue caravan plug) available to visitors, so I could even top up while the meetings are going on.

 

My next car will almost certainly be an EV

 

 

From a safety perspective I would never drive more than 300km without a decent break, so I certainly don't disagree with you. However, my desire for a 400km range is based on having a buffer of 100km to deal with a couple of what-ifs:

 

 - What if you get to the location where you were expecting to charge and are unable to do so? e.g. long queue for the charger or charger out of order.

 

 - What if your vehicle's theoretical 400km range is diminished because of the use of ancillaries, difficult terrain, or battery wear?

 

I always aim to refuel my existing diesel vehicle before the range drops below 150km because it just gives me a bit of extra piece of mind.


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  #2103238 8-Oct-2018 11:11
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frednz:

 

This is true when you're at home, but I think most non-EV owners are more worried about what happens when you're on holiday away from home, particularly where charging stations are fairly sparse, such as on the west coast of the South Island.

 

Yeah, most people get all wrapped around the axles about that once or twice a year long journey not the 95% portion of their usage. With the petrol money you save you can more than afford to have the ICE sitting largely unused or hire an ICE.

 

frednz:

 

And would you always charge to 100% at home, some people say that it's better, for the sake of battery life, to charge to only 80% unless 100% is really necessary

 

A bit of both. I charge to 80 on week nights and 100% for weekends. I find my battery SOH goes funny if I never charge to 100%. My theory is that the BMS looses track of the true 100% charge state.

 

frednz: I think EVs are ideal for people who currently own two petrol cars, one of which is used mainly to get to and from work. In these circumstances, it's a no-brainer to buy an EV for getting to and from  work and to use the petrol car for longer trips.

 

Agree, this is me. We have my old ICE, mostly sitting there (I use it to tow trailers). I haven't put petrol in it in 6 months. The petrol money I saved in the first 3 months pays it's annual insurance and rego, so no real cost to have it sitting there.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2103245 8-Oct-2018 11:31
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alasta:

 

From a safety perspective I would never drive more than 300km without a decent break, so I certainly don't disagree with you. However, my desire for a 400km range is based on having a buffer of 100km to deal with a couple of what-ifs:

 

 - What if you get to the location where you were expecting to charge and are unable to do so? e.g. long queue for the charger or charger out of order.

 

I check plugshare. Make sure someone has used the charger recently. You get to know which chargers have queues (the free ones) and when. Broken chargers show up in Plugshare pretty quickly. Presently there is one I sometimes use up north and I can see that while the display has been vandalised, it is still charging cars, so no drama there.

 

alasta:

 

 - What if your vehicle's theoretical 400km range is diminished because of the use of ancillaries, difficult terrain, or battery wear?

 

None of this is sudden or unpredictable. My A/C and heater cost 6km of range, which isn't much. Wipers, lights, stereo etc no detectable effect on range. IME difficult terrain usually means slower speed saving energy, which makes up for the hills, besides going down the other side the battery recharges by regen (a shift in thinking for ICE drivers) so it don't cost much range unless it is one huge long uphill with no reciprocal down hill. I plan to charge before I run out, much like you do with your ICE. The theory isn't any different.

 

alasta:

 

I always aim to refuel my existing diesel vehicle before the range drops below 150km because it just gives me a bit of extra piece of mind.

 

I find the range-o-meter in my EV to be far more accurate that the ICE. ICE is so inefficient fuel burn can vary greatly for a host of reasons. I will often plan to charge at a nearer charge station, then when I get there, if I have plenty of range to get the next one (and plugshare shows it is working ok), I go to the next one. Saves time without costing "safety".

 

My lil old Leaf has about 150km range around the city and 130km on the open road, hooning and overtaking slow traffic etc. When sitting behind a truck at 80 kph the range goes back up to 150 km, and when crawling at 20kph in traffic on the motorway the predicted range will go up to 220km, so my theoretical get out jail card is to slow right down if I over-cook my numbers.


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  #2103264 8-Oct-2018 12:15
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In order for me to get an EV, I would need to a) get some sort of finance deal and b) also sell my current Mazda3
I am reluctant to sell the Mazda as there are times (2-4 times a year) I like to go out on a long drive, or a weekend getaway) and part of my travels is not currently serviced by any charging but more importantly, the current crop of EVs are either too expensive (I won't pay $60k for a car ever), are not NZ New (I hate Japanese imports made for the Japanese market) and look horrible.

 

A hybrid may remove those issues of being too expensive, are not NZ New and look horrible (as hybrids tend to look ok) but I am not sure if any of them would travel ~50km a day without using petrol (and even if they do, I swing back around to needing finance)


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  #2103296 8-Oct-2018 12:46
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This has probably been discussed in the previous 124 pages of posts but I'm struggling with the search functionality. Is anyone here a regular user of e-scooters? and can anyone recommend a model readily available here in NZ? We're a 2 car family, but the second car is only used for my commute too and from the train station so with petrol on the increase it's starting to feel a bit excessive and unnecessary.


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  #2103300 8-Oct-2018 12:52
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PolicyGuy:

 

Whereas for me somewhere around 250 - 300km will be fine.

 

 

I would want over 300km, around 350km range would be nice.  My 24kWh Leaf is great for my commute (35km each way for 70km total), but it is a pain for longer trips.  240km on the 40kWh Leaf might sound OK to some, but when you consider that you would only charge to 80% at a fast charger (fast charging to 100% takes AGES), 240 quickly becomes 190km between charges on a long trip.  Actually, the 190 would end up being ~150km because if you don't stop where there is a fast charger you will get to where there isn't one and be stranded.  Also - 240km range is with the battery in 100% condition, after a few years the range would be reduced - so a 5-year-old battery charging to 80% during a long trip might not take you all that far before needing another stop for more charging.

 

Give me a 60kWh Leaf with ~360km range and I'd be pretty happy on long trips.  I'd be able to drive long enough between charging that I'd welcome the break.  I could drive from Morrinsville to Auckland without having to stop on the way and charging to 80% in Auckland would very comfortably be enough to get back home again. Morrinsville to Wellington would only need one well-timed stop or a couple of quicker stops - no great inconvenience IMO.

 

So, I'll keep my 24kWh car for a while and happily use it as a commuter.  My next car will be in a few years when I'll buy a 2nd hand car that has at least 60kWh.  The next car will handle commuting very easily, but will also be fairly convenient when I want to use it for longer trips.  Until I get the next EV, I'll use my motorcycle for longer trips and just use my Leaf for the work commute.


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  #2103641 9-Oct-2018 07:25
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Anyone know if NZ Tesla’s can get the V9 software update yet?
I know USA has been released.

 
 
 
 


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  #2104040 9-Oct-2018 17:31
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Oops. Wrong post

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  #2104087 9-Oct-2018 19:16
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I haven’t followed or posted in this thread but I just saw this and thought people might be interested:

 

 

 

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/audi-etron-motor-unit-how-its-made/

 

 

 

(Hopefully this hasn’t already been done.)

 

 





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  #2104088 9-Oct-2018 19:17
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@PANiCnz try the Single Page view and then use the browser's search.

 

Regardless, I don't recall much discussion about escooters in this thread.


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  #2104115 9-Oct-2018 20:23
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Tesla Model 3 safest car ever tested by NHTSA. Tesla models now have top three spots.


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  #2105727 10-Oct-2018 16:33
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This isn't really news but I stumbled cross this article which has lot of price information on new and used EVs in NZ.  I haven't seen this much info on one page before and thought someone may find it useful.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/107675892/lowest-price-to-highest-every-electric-vehicle-you-can-buy-in-nz

 

 





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  #2105747 10-Oct-2018 16:45
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MikeAqua:

 

This isn't really news but I stumbled cross this article which has lot of price information on new and used EVs in NZ.  I haven't seen this much info on one page before and thought someone may find it useful.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/107675892/lowest-price-to-highest-every-electric-vehicle-you-can-buy-in-nz

 

 

Although its a bit of a 'naff list- and highlights the small range of new EVS available in NZ

 

Take out the Vans and you are left with 7 consumer cars...

 

-2 Telsas,  the Hyundai Ioniq and Kona,  the VW Egolf, BMW i3 and the  Renault Zoe ( which can't do DC fast charging yet)  

 

 


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  #2105834 10-Oct-2018 19:01
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For a one stop ev guide, try this.

https://www.electricheaven.nz

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  #2106194 11-Oct-2018 12:16
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/107675892/lowest-price-to-highest-every-electric-vehicle-you-can-buy-in-nz

"Lowest price to highest: every Electric Vehicle you can buy in NZ"

By Damien O'Carroll, Oct 10 2018

...
Hyundai Ioniq EV - $59,990, range 200km+ real world

LDV EV80 cab/chassis - $64,990, range 190km with a half load

Hyundai Ioniq EV Elite - $65,990, range 200km+ real world

Volkswagen e-Golf - $65,990, range 220km real world

Renault Zoe Z.E. - $68,990, range 300km+ real world

LDV EV80 van - $69,990, range 190km with a half load

BMW i3 - $72,200, range up to 200km real world

Hyundai Kona Electric -$73,990 range 400km+ real world

Renault Kangoo Z.E. 2 seater - $74,990, range 200km+ real world

Renault Kangoo Z.E. 5 seater - $77,990, range 200km+ real world

Hyundai Kona Electric Elite - $79,990, range 400km+ real world

BMW i3s - $85,900, range up to 200km real world

Tesla Model S 75D - $134,370, NEDC range 490km

Tesla Model X 75D - $138,820, NEDC range 417km

Tesla Model S 100D - $165,420, NEDC range 632km

Tesla Model X 100D - $165,420, NEDC range 565km

Tesla Model S P100D - $220,920, NEDC range 613km

Tesla Model X P100D - $229,320, NEDC range 542km

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