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MikeAqua
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  #2120030 5-Nov-2018 10:49
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tripper1000:

 

Norway is doing it. But different people and different government with different attitudes.

 

 

And a $20k tariff on the purchase price of a new ICEV.  Originally implemented as an import barrier to protect domestic manufacturers.

 

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/201794693/christina-bu-electric-vehicles-in-norway

 

 





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  #2120050 5-Nov-2018 11:05
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Thanks for posting the tax rules. You could add an ev clause too.

My friends, one if whom really likes EV, said he bought the ute because his accountant said it was better to buy a ute. So he did.

 
 
 
 


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  #2120053 5-Nov-2018 11:09
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SaltyNZ:

 

A very sad piece at RNZ this morning. SUVs - mostly diesels - make up 8 out of 10 new vehicles sold in NZ right now, and outsell EVs 64 to 1. More importantly, to meet our targets, 50% of everyone's next vehicle needs to be an EV, and for the other 50% it needs to be the one after that.

 

 

For me the solution is conceptually simple:-

 

Show me a battery powered SUVs with the same towing weight and range as a new diesel LWB Pajero; that can ford a creek and beach launch; at the same price; and with a dealership and service centre in Nelson.   I'll jump on it.

 

I'm holding off on replacing the Pajero longer than I ordinarily would in the (possibly naive) hope that the market delivers.





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  #2120116 5-Nov-2018 12:18
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MikeAqua:

 

SaltyNZ:

 

A very sad piece at RNZ this morning. SUVs - mostly diesels - make up 8 out of 10 new vehicles sold in NZ right now, and outsell EVs 64 to 1. More importantly, to meet our targets, 50% of everyone's next vehicle needs to be an EV, and for the other 50% it needs to be the one after that.

 

 

For me the solution is conceptually simple:-

 

Show me a battery powered SUVs with the same towing weight and range as a new diesel LWB Pajero; that can ford a creek and beach launch; at the same price; and with a dealership and service centre in Nelson.   I'll jump on it.

 

I'm holding off on replacing the Pajero longer than I ordinarily would in the (possibly naive) hope that the market delivers.

 

 

May not be a dealership in Nelson but one day you could be driving this thing

 

https://www.bollingermotors.com/

 

Looks a bit retro and deffinately reminds me of my uncle old Land Rover


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  #2120124 5-Nov-2018 12:37
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MikeAqua:

 

tripper1000:

 

Norway is doing it. But different people and different government with different attitudes.

 

  And a $20k tariff on the purchase price of a new ICEV.  Originally implemented as an import barrier to protect domestic manufacturers.

 

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/201794693/christina-bu-electric-vehicles-in-norway 

 

My answer was from the angle of the market supporting a big uptick in the EV sales in NZ (50 percent of new cars sales need to be EV in order to meet CO2 targets). But simply giving company EV cars the same FBT break as utes would penalise no one, and get people like dentists and accountants out of diesel utes and into EV's - a win-win situation. 

 

 


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  #2120133 5-Nov-2018 12:45
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https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/11/tesla-owner-uses-summon-to-remotely-move-his-car-to-avoid-parking-tickets/

Tesla Owner Uses 'Summon' To Remotely Move Car To Avoid Parking Tickets
by Jason Torchinsky and Jalopnik

"Tesla is planning a significant update to their “Summon” feature on its cars that will let you drive your Tesla around like a colossal R/C car, but even in its current, more limited form, Summon is pretty useful. Watch how this guy in Wisconsin uses it to get out of receiving parking tickets in the most technologically advanced way possible, at least until he’s able to teleport his car.

Essentially, the current version of Summon lets you move the car up to 39 feet, forwards or backwards. It’s designed to let the car park itself into tight spots that are tricky to get into or out of. You know, like this:

You know what else this could be good for? Moving a car between empty parallel parking spots! That’s what D Shawn Kennedy, a Tesla owner in Janeville, Wisconsin, does to get around the throbbing metropolis of Janesville’s new two-hour limit rule on parking spots.

From his office window, Kennedy just commands his Tesla to move to a new spot every two hours.

Pretty sneaky.

Now, it won’t work if the spots are blocked, and, technically Tesla says to only use it on private property, but this is so satisfying I don’t think anyone at Tesla will complain. I know one employee isn’t.

I’m not even sure it’s illegal, really. Is it that much different than pushing the car from one spot to another from outside the car? Is that illegal? So far, I can’t find any reference that it is."

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  #2120137 5-Nov-2018 12:48
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Dinga96:

 

May not be a dealership in Nelson but one day you could be driving this thing

 

https://www.bollingermotors.com/

 

Looks a bit retro and deffinately reminds me of my uncle old Land Rover

 

 

 

 

I covet those relentlessly and if I won Lotto tomorrow - which, to be fair, would require me to buy a ticket - I would put down a deposit on one the next day.





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  #2120144 5-Nov-2018 12:58
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Dinga96:

 

May not be a dealership in Nelson but one day you could be driving this thing

 

https://www.bollingermotors.com/

 

Looks a bit retro and deffinately reminds me of my uncle old Land Rover

 

 

I assume that's a joke but for the sake of completeness

 

Steering wheel on the wrong side and only has 320km range without towing.  Quite possibly wouldn't tow the boat from Nelson to Picton.





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  #2120154 5-Nov-2018 13:10
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MikeAqua:

 

Dinga96:

 

May not be a dealership in Nelson but one day you could be driving this thing

 

https://www.bollingermotors.com/

 

Looks a bit retro and deffinately reminds me of my uncle old Land Rover

 

 

I assume that's a joke but for the sake of completeness

 

Steering wheel on the wrong side and only has 320km range without towing.  Quite possibly wouldn't tow the boat from Nelson to Picton.

 

 

 

 

It is not a joke, and if you read more details about it you will see that they intend to release to the US market first, but are building the cars to meet various sets of international regulations, with a right-hand drive version, including Australia and New Zealand being specifically mentioned by name.

 

It is built to be a farm truck first and foremost: the interior in the base model is completely hoseable. It has panels at the front and rear - with nothing down the centre of the cabin - to allow you to put poles or planks all the way through it. It even has a power point in the back to run your tools from while out in the paddock. From the other reviews I've seen of it they are very much doing their homework on it. In fact, the battery and the power rating are both bigger than I remember them being when I first looked at them (120kWh vs. 100kWh, and 520HP vs. 470HP from memory) so it's possible they'll be even more improved by the time they are released.





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  #2120238 5-Nov-2018 13:45
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tripper1000:

 

But simply giving company EV cars the same FBT break as utes would penalise no one, and get people like dentists and accountants out of diesel utes and into EV's - a win-win situation. 

 

 

The FBT exemption is for a vehicle that principally isn't designed for carrying passengers.

 

It's an issue of vehicle format, not drive train technology - i.e. an E-van (goods vehicle) would qualify for the subsidy a leaf (passenger vehicle) wouldn't.

 

Rip the rear seats out of the leaf and chuck in a cargo barrier and you could probably claim FBT.

 

 





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  #2120240 5-Nov-2018 13:46
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SaltyNZ:

 

It is not a joke, and if you read more details about it you will see that they intend to release to the US market first, but are building the cars to meet various sets of international regulations, with a right-hand drive version, including Australia and New Zealand being specifically mentioned by name.

 

 

No, I'm sure its no joke, but the chances of seeing one in a local supermarket carpark in the next 5 years, ( or probably 10 years) is pretty much zip..

 

What is the price? : The SRP will be announced soon

 

When will you start production? Production will start in 2020.

 

This will be very expensive and very niche and will basically be a toy for multi-millionaire rural hobby property owners...

 

 

 

 


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  #2120310 5-Nov-2018 15:17
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SaltyNZ:

 

It is not a joke, and if you read more details about it you will see that they intend to release to the US market first, but are building the cars to meet various sets of international regulations, with a right-hand drive version, including Australia and New Zealand being specifically mentioned by name.

 

 

Joke or not it's still a dream.  There is no price and no release date for NZ.  And the range is still inadequate.

 

And ... no airbags.

 

No mention of wade depth either.





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  #2120327 5-Nov-2018 15:36
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wellygary:

 

SaltyNZ:

 

It is not a joke, and if you read more details about it you will see that they intend to release to the US market first, but are building the cars to meet various sets of international regulations, with a right-hand drive version, including Australia and New Zealand being specifically mentioned by name.

 

 

This will be very expensive and very niche and will basically be a toy for multi-millionaire rural hobby property owners...

 

 

A not insignificant lobby group... I expect this will go through, with significant subsidies.

 

 


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  #2127757 16-Nov-2018 09:02
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NorthernZone:

 

ICYMI: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/advice/everything-need-know-lithium-ion-batteries-car-makers-forgot/

 

 

 

 

The key is really here:

 

 

 

 

He reckons that by 2025 battery capacity will have increased by five times, with battery-electric cars capable of travelling about 430 miles between charges. But how long for - and how much will it cost?

 

 

 

 

If my 2025 battery takes 10 years to degrade from 100% to 50% capacity then after 10 years I can still drive my car half as far again as my current Leaf would've gotten straight from the factory, which is itself enough even at around 75% health to get me from Warkworth to Newmarket and back without needing to stop and charge during the day. And by 2035, with some markets already having banned ICE vehicles altogether and others on such a short horizon that sales will be plummeting, the market for service and replacement of EV batteries should be well served.

 

In other words, if this prediction is even close to true, battery degradation is something that most people won't realistically need to worry about. They won't be 'electric cars' by then. They'll just be 'cars'.





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