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kingdragonfly
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  #2181243 16-Feb-2019 14:02
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That's 444 cubic inches. The engine weighs about 1,000 lbs / 454 KG, after you add oil and coolant.


https://www.greenbiz.com/article/why-do-automakers-support-climate-rollbacks

Why do automakers support climate rollbacks?

In a press release for its annual sustainability report, Ford Motor Company quoted Executive Chairman Bill Ford: "We know climate change is real and a critical threat, and we will continue to work with leaders around the world in support of ambitious global greenhouse gas reduction targets."

Similarly, in an October 2016 press release, GM wrote, "The company believes there’s economic opportunity as well as a social imperative in lowering emissions and addressing climate change."

Given their public positioning, one would think that Ford and GM would be among the first to defend the one key climate action available to automakers: fuel efficiency standards.

Not so fast.

This week, the Trump administration rejected Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency, or CAFE, standards adopted by the Obama administration. In doing so, the administration had the full support of Ford, as well as GM, VW and even Prius manufacturer Toyota, among others. Trade groups these automakers fund, including the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, long have asked the administration to put vehicle fuel efficiency standards on hold.

They are questioning climate science as well. In a submission to the administrative record, the alliance selectively cited quotes from articles on climate modeling in order to cast doubt on the science; the actual authors of those articles soundly have refuted the alliance’s misrepresentations. When asked for comment on their position in light of the alliance’s submissions, automakers either refused to respond or referred the reporters to the alliance.

Truth is, Ford and GM matter very much in the climate battle. Transportation is the largest source of greenhouse gas emissions in the United States and CAFE standards are critical to controlling those emissions. The Obama-era regulations would have resulted in the largest U.S. reduction in global warming emissions from a single policy, bringing America’s average fuel economy to 40 mpg by 2020 and 50 mpg by 2025. The weakened standards will result in $4,000 in additional fuel costs over the life of an average new vehicle — basically a hidden tax on consumers and businesses that does no good, only harm.

A recent University of Michigan study underscored the importance of preserving (or strengthening) the standards. It found that additional reductions in the automotive sector beyond those provided under Obama would be necessary at the latest by 2025 in order to meet climate goals and avoid increased costs. And, as demonstrated in analysis by the nonprofit Ceres, robust standards will have long-term benefits for the industry; such standards provide market certainty, spur innovation and make U.S. auto manufacturers and suppliers more competitive in a global market that demands increasingly cleaner and more efficient cars and trucks. (Both Ford and GM are Ceres members.)
Is this how Ford works "with leaders around the world in support of ambitious global greenhouse gas reduction targets"? And if the company could so flagrantly mislead in its sustainability report, what are shareholders to make of legally binding statements in its fiscal reporting? Would it not be more responsible for Ford to forthrightly say that it doesn't support action on climate? Last, how does GM square its position with its statement that the company "believes in being an advocate for climate change action and awareness"?

We’re hearing a lot from big automakers such as Toyota, Ford and GM about their concern for the environment, most recently during the Olympics, when Toyota released what appeared to be the first auto industry climate ad.

If they really care, they should stop trying to undermine our most important climate policy. Our future depends on it.

So does their integrity.

kingdragonfly
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  #2181247 16-Feb-2019 14:21
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Ford does have a long history of green-washing, previously funding climate denying lobbyists Competitive Enterprise Institutes and then later American Legislative Exchange Council. Previously during WWII, Ford continued to do business with Nazi Germany, including the manufacture of war materiel.

So not what I'd call a nice corporation.

Perhaps too little, too late...

https://www.autoblog.com/2016/02/17/ford-alec-think-tank-news/

Ford says goodbye to climate-change denying think tank ALEC

Koch Brothers's funded group loses another corporate sponsor

ALEC is a name many people either distrust or don't recognize. If you know about the American Legislative Exchange Council, then you likely know that it has worked somewhat behind the scenes for years to influence laws across the US, often with a corporate-friendly intent.

Thanks to the work of groups like ALEC Exposed, the think tank has become suspect in the public eye. For years now, the ALEC's representatives have written laws that limited environmental protections and spewed doubt into the climate change debate. Often, the same wording was used in laws in multiple states. ALEC is heavily funded by the conservative Koch Brothers and "other right-wing foundations," according to PR Watch.

Ford did not give a reason for ending its support for ALEC. Without addressing the future, all Ford's Christin Baker would say, in an email to AutoblogGreen, was that, "As part of our annual budget review in 2015, we adjusted our participation in several groups. We will not be participating in ALEC in 2016."

Still, we can guess the reasons. When you specifically state that you are, "committed to doing our share to prevent or reduce the potential for environmental, economic and social harm due to climate change," perhaps shacking up with a climate-change denier isn't the best move. Well, at least after years of letting it slide, it isn't.

Ford is not the first automaker to sever its ties with ALEC. GM did so in 2012. Even oil giant Shell cut the cord in 2015 (AOL, which owns Autoblog, did so in 2014).


 
 
 
 


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  #2181571 17-Feb-2019 17:14
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Youtube: Why Amazon and GM Might Make a Bet on Electric Truckmaker Rivian

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  #2182206 18-Feb-2019 19:16
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Electric hypercars can be a little unnerving, because there's no revving noise before it shoots off the line.

Japanese Aspark owl electric hypercar does 0-60mph in 1.9 seconds



https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric

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  #2182235 18-Feb-2019 20:13
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I don't think it will take much more in terms of energy per kg for ICE kitcars to become viable as EVs. 

 

Give me a mechanically perfect electric Lancia Stratos or GT40 to drive to work every day and I am there. 


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  #2184312 20-Feb-2019 13:31
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Are any EVs set up to also act as a power source? Could the battery be charged from solar and then used to feed the house in the evening? EV batteries are pretty substantial but the cars are still too expensive for people like me. If they had multiple uses, that might make a difference. Of course the car wouldn't be available in the morning if the battery was flat, but not everyone lives a 9-5 commuter existence. I would think that having the flexibility to use the EV for back-up power could be attractive to some. Has anyone done this?

 

 





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  #2184319 20-Feb-2019 13:39
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Rikkitic:

 

Are any EVs set up to also act as a power source? Could the battery be charged from solar and then used to feed the house in the evening? EV batteries are pretty substantial but the cars are still too expensive for people like me. If they had multiple uses, that might make a difference. Of course the car wouldn't be available in the morning if the battery was flat, but not everyone lives a 9-5 commuter existence. I would think that having the flexibility to use the EV for back-up power could be attractive to some. Has anyone done this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are actually a lot of studies globally on the possibilities of doing exactly that; using EVs as a means of providing short term storage and grid stabilisation services.





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  #2184325 20-Feb-2019 13:46
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Rikkitic:

 

Are any EVs set up to also act as a power source? Could the battery be charged from solar and then used to feed the house in the evening? EV batteries are pretty substantial but the cars are still too expensive for people like me. If they had multiple uses, that might make a difference. Of course the car wouldn't be available in the morning if the battery was flat, but not everyone lives a 9-5 commuter existence. I would think that having the flexibility to use the EV for back-up power could be attractive to some. Has anyone done this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I have heard of people doing this with a 30kW Leaf.


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  #2184329 20-Feb-2019 13:53
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Rikkitic:

 

Are any EVs set up to also act as a power source? Could the battery be charged from solar and then used to feed the house in the evening? EV batteries are pretty substantial but the cars are still too expensive for people like me. If they had multiple uses, that might make a difference. Of course the car wouldn't be available in the morning if the battery was flat, but not everyone lives a 9-5 commuter existence. I would think that having the flexibility to use the EV for back-up power could be attractive to some. Has anyone done this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Search for V2H (Vehicle to Home) or V2G (Vehicle to Grid) for info about this. 


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  #2184358 20-Feb-2019 14:17
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Rikkitic:

 

Are any EVs set up to also act as a power source? Could the battery be charged from solar and then used to feed the house in the evening? EV batteries are pretty substantial but the cars are still too expensive for people like me. If they had multiple uses, that might make a difference. Of course the car wouldn't be available in the morning if the battery was flat, but not everyone lives a 9-5 commuter existence. I would think that having the flexibility to use the EV for back-up power could be attractive to some. Has anyone done this?

 

 

V2G is actually really attractive to me; we lost power for a couple of days during the storms last year, and having 40kwh in a battery feeding back into the house when we were home from work would have been really useful. It seems like we aren't in a good position to take advantage of it here in NZ. 


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  #2184406 20-Feb-2019 15:32
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The Nissan Leaf (all generations) is able to output DC from it's Chademo connector. In Japan an inverter to run your house/power tools etc is/was available. It seemed to be marketed more as a portable power supply as it couldn't grid-tie and was one way, not bidirectional. It looked pretty chunky - not sure that it was ever a success. 

 

These guys will sort you out with V2G for a cool $26K.


GV27
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  #2184424 20-Feb-2019 15:58
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Absolute bargain 😄

 

Hope these solutions get cheaper as time goes by, but that was meant to happen with solar too. 


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  #2184432 20-Feb-2019 16:16
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tripper1000:These guys will sort you out with V2G for a cool $26K.

 

 

 

 

I hope the added an extra 0 by accident and its actually $2600 for this equipment as you could get 2x Tesla Powerwalls for the price they've stated!


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  #2184440 20-Feb-2019 16:49
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GV27:

 

V2G is actually really attractive to me; we lost power for a couple of days during the storms last year, and having 40kwh in a battery feeding back into the house when we were home from work would have been really useful. It seems like we aren't in a good position to take advantage of it here in NZ. 

 

 

Personally at the moment I think V2G is an expensive boon doggle, -

 

for it to have any significant use to run you house you need to have at least a 30a charging setup....

 

Plus, even with a 40kwh battery you are likely to have 1 maybe two days power max, + storms usually happen in Winter and running any sort of heating is an even heavier load...

 

On a bang for buck basis its probably cheaper to have a petrol Genny sitting in the basement...

 

 

 

V2G might be useful for shaving bits off peak load... but in a country with high grid reliability its easier ( and cheaper) to do it through large scale setups like The Tesla set up in Victoria...  


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  #2184565 20-Feb-2019 23:37
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wellygary:

 

On a bang for buck basis its probably cheaper to have a petrol Genny sitting in the basement...

 

 

Cant run the generator at night without making many people very angry because  1. they have to hear it, and even getting a drain unblocker in a 7pm gets angry people yelling and 2. you have power and they dont.

 

If they could make a single box solar battery inverter charger peak shaving grid stabalizing etc thing that happened to use the plugged in cars as part of the operation of it then it would be useful, but as a single purpose feature that I would have to plug into something else to power the house and worry about setting things up to run off it, would probably not be worth it.

 

Give it 5 years and time for the grid operators to get over their demands for permits to have inverters feeding back into the grid and then it might become a thing.





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