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kingdragonfly
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  #2261732 21-Jun-2019 07:22
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Petrol cars by their nature are complex, and require a lot of intrinsic knowledge.

It took 100 years or more to create the ICE motors, complex gearboxes, plus ubiquitous petrol stations.

Also ICE are more visceral, from the sound to the "driving by the seat of your pants."

You could argue electric cars are as old as petrol cars, but lithium batteries have only been around since 1980. An EV that you can purchase has only been around since 1997.

With any new technology, there will be those that embrace change and those who resist change.

My father was an architect, and loved doing pencil drawings and blue prints. He could never get comfortable using a mouse instead of a pencil, and so retired.

A lot of mechanics will need to upskill, and be hesitant. Given the reduced complexity of EV's, some mechanics will need to find other jobs.

Being an older worker, I understand their pain.

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  #2261829 21-Jun-2019 10:30
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Otago polytechnic have started EV mechanics course covering electricity safety rebuilding batteries etc.

The lecturer in automotive engineering though they better setup the courses to upskill mechanics otherwise there was a risk that the electrical part of EV would be taken over by the Electrician lobbyists due to "safety" risks so that only electricians could do the work and freeze out the ICE mechanics.

 
 
 
 


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  #2261832 21-Jun-2019 10:39
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afe66: Otago polytechnic have started EV mechanics course covering electricity safety rebuilding batteries etc.

The lecturer in automotive engineering though they better setup the courses to upskill mechanics otherwise there was a risk that the electrical part of EV would be taken over by the Electrician lobbyists due to "safety" risks so that only electricians could do the work and freeze out the ICE mechanics.

 

Not so much the Sparkies they will have to watch out for ,

 

It's  the Fire service who will deem working on lithium cells as a Fire and Chemical Hazard...


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  #2261834 21-Jun-2019 10:49
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Interesting (though anecdotal) article on The Spinoff today in regards to what makes the most impact on your greenhouse gas emissions: solar panels or an EV?





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  #2261934 21-Jun-2019 12:59
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wellygary:

afe66: Otago polytechnic have started EV mechanics course covering electricity safety rebuilding batteries etc.

The lecturer in automotive engineering though they better setup the courses to upskill mechanics otherwise there was a risk that the electrical part of EV would be taken over by the Electrician lobbyists due to "safety" risks so that only electricians could do the work and freeze out the ICE mechanics.


Not so much the Sparkies they will have to watch out for ,


It's  the Fire service who will deem working on lithium cells as a Fire and Chemical Hazard...




The lecturer literally told me that he setup the course to preempt electricians making a move to regulatory authorities to prevent anyone other than electricians working on the electric/battery systems.

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  #2261935 21-Jun-2019 12:59
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wellygary:

afe66: Otago polytechnic have started EV mechanics course covering electricity safety rebuilding batteries etc.

The lecturer in automotive engineering though they better setup the courses to upskill mechanics otherwise there was a risk that the electrical part of EV would be taken over by the Electrician lobbyists due to "safety" risks so that only electricians could do the work and freeze out the ICE mechanics.


Not so much the Sparkies they will have to watch out for ,


It's  the Fire service who will deem working on lithium cells as a Fire and Chemical Hazard...




The lecturer literally told me that he setup the course to preempt electricians making a move to regulatory authorities to prevent anyone other than electricians working on the electric/battery systems.

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  #2263790 25-Jun-2019 09:59
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ICEing is about to get those doing it a $60 fine in Auckland: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12243110

 
 
 
 


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  #2263816 25-Jun-2019 10:31
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Its not an Auckland thing. The relevant law was changed to make parking a non ev in a charging park liable for fine.

But if most of the chargers are on private land will anything change if council parking officers aren't permitted to fine on private property...

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  #2263825 25-Jun-2019 10:44
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afe66: Its not an Auckland thing. The relevant law was changed to make parking a non ev in a charging park liable for fine.

But if most of the chargers are on private land will anything change if council parking officers aren't permitted to fine on private property...

 

Sorry, I've only been living in Auckland 2 years now and I've already taken on the "nothing exists beyond the Bombay hills" attitude :D

 

As for the private land issue, I guess that's fair - assuming the private owner bought the chargers. It's up to them if they want to restrict those parks to EVs only


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  #2263829 25-Jun-2019 10:51
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afe66: Its not an Auckland thing. The relevant law was changed to make parking a non ev in a charging park liable for fine.

But if most of the chargers are on private land will anything change if council parking officers aren't permitted to fine on private property...

 

The overarching law has been changed, but it cannot be enforced by council parking wardens until a local by law is amended.

 

But  as you mention this will have no impact on most carparking buildings and places like malls/supermarkets etc..

 

 


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  #2263834 25-Jun-2019 11:05
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wellygary:

 

afe66: Its not an Auckland thing. The relevant law was changed to make parking a non ev in a charging park liable for fine.

But if most of the chargers are on private land will anything change if council parking officers aren't permitted to fine on private property...

 

The overarching law has been changed, but it cannot be enforced by council parking wardens until a local by law is amended.

 

But  as you mention this will have no impact on most carparking buildings and places like malls/supermarkets etc..

 

 

Ah, I forgot that most chargers are on private property, therefore cannot be fined with money!


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  #2263944 25-Jun-2019 12:11
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EV Facebook pages have multiple stories of being ICEd at chargers in nz and idiot behaviour such as EV owners parking in charging spots just not charging and the supermarket mall staff being disinterested in doing anything.

Cant see this changing unfortunately..

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  #2264042 25-Jun-2019 13:34
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No different to the prams parks or mobility parks. And as EVs become more common I'm noticing more charging with out check-ins on plugshare.

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  #2264052 25-Jun-2019 13:45
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NzBeagle: No different to the prams parks or mobility parks. And as EVs become more common I'm noticing more charging with out check-ins on plugshare.

 

 

 

I don't bother to check anymore. It's just a given the Vector chargers will have a queue and the ChargeNet ones will be vacant.

 

Mind you, the other night I was expecting to use the ChargeNet charger at Orewa New World (fortunately for convenience rather than absolute necessity) but there was another Leaf already there so I simply parked in a regular spot and bought my couple of groceries. When I came out, that Leaf was still there, and there was a second one waiting!





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  #2265730 27-Jun-2019 13:38
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NzBeagle: ....And as EVs become more common I'm noticing more charging with out check-ins on plugshare.

 

I had that problem on the weekend. Whilst the Chargenet app shows when a charger is in use, it doesn't show you that there are 3 other cars waiting, and you become the 4th :-(

 

One of the other waiting people complained that there was no way to tell if a charger it a Fast Charger or a Slow charger. When I said "but they are a different colour on Plugshare" they looked at me blankly. 


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