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  #2272246 9-Jul-2019 10:13
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kingdragonfly: I like EV's because they are less complex, meaning less maintenance and less to break.

https://www.drivingelectric.com/your-questions-answered/686/what-self-charging-hybrid

Self-charging hybrids usually employ one or more electric motors to aid the performance of a car’s petrol or diesel engine.

Once the battery has acquired enough charge, a self-charging hybrid can use this additional energy to help the car gain speed, reducing the burden on the internal-combustion engine.

This has the effect of saving fuel, therefore improving fuel economy on typical journeys through towns and cities.

Most self-charging hybrids are also capable of moving under electric power alone for short distances, which is useful in slow-moving traffic and during manoeuvres like parallel parking. As well as conserving fuel, self-charging hybrids will reduce CO2 emissions, making them better for the environment.

Self-charging hybrids are so-named because you can't charge the battery externally: all the energy is harvested from either the engine, the brakes, or merely the act of slowing down.
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While self-charging hybrids are likely to be a better prospect for some drivers than plug-in hybrids, it’s important to remember that they bring no efficiency benefits at motorway speeds. On fast roads, you're entirely reliant on the internal combustion engine, and if you travel cross-country a lot, then a pure petrol or diesel will be more suitable.

Because of their small batteries, self-charging hybrids can’t travel very far on electric power alone; usually no more than a mile or so. So if you frequently drive short distances and you can charge a car at home or at work, a plug-in hybrid might be a more cost-effective option. Not only will you save money by travelling on electric power rather than petrol or diesel, you’ll still have the option of driving further afield using conventional fuel should the need arise.

Finally, self-charging hybrids are unlikely to suit driving enthusiasts. Most self-charging hybrids are designed to save fuel and make driving a relaxing and pleasant experience, as opposed to an exciting or involving one.


 

Me too. Its a pity that the premium well exceeds any costs savings

 

With Hybrids, apparently the battery degrades faster than an EV. But if your main mileage is commuting a hybrid can work out as they are cheap. Latest Prius might be 40k all up with subsidy. 65km range, top up at home, back to work tomorrow, etc


 
 
 

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  #2272249 9-Jul-2019 10:18
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Self charging ev are just ICE to me.

Unless I can plug in and charge the battery it's not an EV.

If you mist burn fossil fuel you use it's an ICE.

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  #2272256 9-Jul-2019 10:30
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The feebate scheme proposed is open to feedback from the public. So let's do it. It's also taking effect after the next election. If we have a Labour Green government with a comfortable majority,,, we might see some changes to the scheme. At this point, anyone who cares about climate change simply can't vote for National. It's like an IQ test for NZ.




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Linuxluver: The feebate scheme proposed is open to feedback from the public. So let's do it. It's also taking effect after the next election. If we have a Labour Green government with a comfortable majority,,, we might see some changes to the scheme. At this point, anyone who cares about climate change simply can't vote for National. It's like an IQ test for NZ.


Remind me, which party introduced the RUC exemption for EVs?





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  #2272266 9-Jul-2019 10:42
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For me the hybrid option was a consideration that I ultimately discarded in favour of an FEV. I would have loved a Tesla but couldn't see myself paying that much, model 3 wasn't out at the time. Even then now it's still on the high side for me [base model is $74k NZ?].

 

Rightly or wrongly, when I looked into it further I considered the possibility that a hybrid would be more complex and therefore servicing and repair costs could be unpleasant. Also, with my current work commute I'd still be using petrol, I like it that I don't need to now for environmental as well as economic reasons.

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  #2272270 9-Jul-2019 10:49
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GV27:

People buying new cars definitely need subsidies that are more generous than in any other country, yep, absolutely. Won't someone think of old mate dropping $200K on a Model S? Bloke will basically be on skid row unless we get him $8k of taxpayer cash. 



Cars over $80k don't qualify for the rebate.




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  #2272273 9-Jul-2019 10:51
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Aredwood:
Linuxluver: The feebate scheme proposed is open to feedback from the public. So let's do it. It's also taking effect after the next election. If we have a Labour Green government with a comfortable majority,,, we might see some changes to the scheme. At this point, anyone who cares about climate change simply can't vote for National. It's like an IQ test for NZ.


Remind me, which party introduced the RUC exemption for EVs?


National did it. Good in them. Put alongside everything else they did, it's not big enough. They also increased speed limits on some roads and *increased* emissions.




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  #2272286 9-Jul-2019 11:13
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Linuxluver:
GV27:

 

People buying new cars definitely need subsidies that are more generous than in any other country, yep, absolutely. Won't someone think of old mate dropping $200K on a Model S? Bloke will basically be on skid row unless we get him $8k of taxpayer cash. 

 



Cars over $80k don't qualify for the rebate.

 

I haven't had time to fully go through the announcement yet, but that's a logical thing to do. 

 

I'm also not sure how it would apply if I imported my own ZEV. 


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  #2272316 9-Jul-2019 11:45
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afe66: Self charging ev are just ICE to me.

Unless I can plug in and charge the battery it's not an EV.

If you mist burn fossil fuel you use it's an ICE.


As I've commented multiple threads, a HYBRID is not an EV (look up the meaning of hybrid) If people don't know where their vehicle ultimately gets its motive energy from then they deserve all they (don't) get. Self Charging is a bs marketing construct that the PR department of Toyota/Lexus dreamed up that has been adopted by other Full Hybrid manufacturers.

I find it a little perplexing that the 'save the planet brigade' have a problem with a scheme that incentivises reduced emission vehicles (hybrids) as well as EVs. It can't all be done at once.




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  #2272318 9-Jul-2019 11:47
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GV27:

 

Linuxluver:
GV27:

 

People buying new cars definitely need subsidies that are more generous than in any other country, yep, absolutely. Won't someone think of old mate dropping $200K on a Model S? Bloke will basically be on skid row unless we get him $8k of taxpayer cash. 

 



Cars over $80k don't qualify for the rebate.

 

I'm also not sure how it would apply if I imported my own ZEV. 

 

 

It wouldn't apply,

 

The proposal is to make the point of application at the NZ "point of purchase"  , either by the dealer or the importer.....

 

With a private import there is no NZ based purchase, you are purchasing it from a seller overseas...


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  #2272325 9-Jul-2019 12:08
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wellygary:

 

It wouldn't apply,

 

The proposal is to make the point of application at the NZ "point of purchase"  , either by the dealer or the importer.....

 

With a private import there is no NZ based purchase, you are purchasing it from a seller overseas...

 

 

Tres unhelpful. Waiving GST would have been far more useful. 


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  #2272328 9-Jul-2019 12:16
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GV27:

 

wellygary:

 

It wouldn't apply,

 

The proposal is to make the point of application at the NZ "point of purchase"  , either by the dealer or the importer.....

 

With a private import there is no NZ based purchase, you are purchasing it from a seller overseas...

 

 

Tres unhelpful. Waiving GST would have been far more useful. 

 

 

Removing GST was one of the policies specifically rejected, this is the list of ideas they rejected ( from the cabinet paper)

 

34.1. Varying annual vehicle licensing fees based on their CO2 emissions

 

34.2. Air pollutant emissions testing as part of Warrant of Fitness checks

 

34.3. Mandating a certain proportion of vehicle sale to be low emission

 

34.4. A fringe benefit tax exemption for electric vehicles

 

34.5. A GST exemption for electric vehicles

 

34.6. Increased depreciation rates for electric vehicles

 

34.7. An upfront subsidy of $1000-$2000 for electric vehicles12

 

34.8. A legislated end date for the import of fossil-fuelled vehicles.

 

 


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  #2272333 9-Jul-2019 12:32
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wellygary:

GV27:


wellygary:


It wouldn't apply,


The proposal is to make the point of application at the NZ "point of purchase"  , either by the dealer or the importer.....


With a private import there is no NZ based purchase, you are purchasing it from a seller overseas...



Tres unhelpful. Waiving GST would have been far more useful. 



Removing GST was one of the policies specifically rejected, this is the list of ideas they rejected ( from the cabinet paper)


34.1. Varying annual vehicle licensing fees based on their CO2 emissions


34.2. Air pollutant emissions testing as part of Warrant of Fitness checks


34.3. Mandating a certain proportion of vehicle sale to be low emission


34.4. A fringe benefit tax exemption for electric vehicles


34.5. A GST exemption for electric vehicles


34.6. Increased depreciation rates for electric vehicles


34.7. An upfront subsidy of $1000-$2000 for electric vehicles12


34.8. A legislated end date for the import of fossil-fuelled vehicles.


 



So, in effect, they are entering this with one hand and four of their five digits on the other tied behind their back.
Once again it will be a talk big, achieve little, policy.
My hybrid will have it’s trade-in value depressed and our ICE’s trade-in value inflated by virtue of rebate/tax on their respective new models.

All it has achieved is me moving my EV purchase from later this year to at least two years in the future.




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  #2272394 9-Jul-2019 14:00
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Aredwood:
Linuxluver: The feebate scheme proposed is open to feedback from the public. So let's do it. It's also taking effect after the next election. If we have a Labour Green government with a comfortable majority,,, we might see some changes to the scheme. At this point, anyone who cares about climate change simply can't vote for National. It's like an IQ test for NZ.


Remind me, which party introduced the RUC exemption for EVs?


National did it. Good on them. Put alongside everything else they did, it's not big enough. They also increased speed limits on some roads and *increased* emissions. They had a plan they bottom-drawered as it was always "too soon" to do anything significant. That was while Obama was in the White House. All the indications I've seen from National *voters* is that with Trump in the White House they are now free to return to calling climate change a hoax.




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  #2272402 9-Jul-2019 14:17
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Great idea. Let’s get this thread moved to the politics forum....




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