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#2272775 10-Jul-2019 09:22

tdgeek:

How will they measure RUC for EV's? Buy mileage at the Post Office? How would they measure the electrical mileage on a hybrid? That's probably the key and more complex question

EV RUC will be done exactly the same way as light diesels do now, buy it either online or in person at NZTA agents (Which include Post offices, AA, VTNZ, VINZ etc)

You purchase RUC in advance, and it is checked when you get a WOF, or can be checked by the police if they stop you...

As for RUC on PHEVS, while it is an interesting question, I think they will probably just whack RUC on the whole mileage and set up a complex way for you to apply to get a refund of the mileage you do under petrol power.( No don't ask me how it will work, it wont be pretty)

Currently you can claim back RUC for offroad driving - I am not sure many 4WD owners do - (you have to be able to show evidence,) but I think they will just add "kms driven under petrol) to that system

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/licensing-rego/road-user-charges/ruc-licences/ruc-refunds/

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#2272818 10-Jul-2019 09:33

Thanks for that. And no, re Hybrids, it wont be pretty.

Maybe they could treat hybrids as EV's for RUC, and charge them a petrol price per litre minus RUC, that can be just coded as a an exemption on the till, maybe with a sticker on the licence plate soi the garage attendant can check that visually for a car that they arent sure if its a hybrid. Slightly inconvenient (if need to see the plate) , but a very simple process otherwise

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#2272823 10-Jul-2019 09:44

tdgeek:
Thanks for that. And no, re Hybrids, it wont be pretty.

Maybe they could treat hybrids as EV's for RUC, and charge them a petrol price per litre minus RUC, that can be just coded as a an exemption on the till, maybe with a sticker on the licence plate soi the garage attendant can check that visually for a car that they arent sure if its a hybrid. Slightly inconvenient (if need to see the plate) , but a very simple process otherwise

Do what they do with tax exempt diesels in Australia. Have one pump for taxed vehicles and one for those that aren’t taxed. Seriously that would become a pain in the proverbial.

No point taxing them at WOF time either, because who will get a WOF when you know there is potentially a $1000 bill at the end of it.

The easiest solution is to remove all taxes from all fuel and everyone uses RUC.

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#2273766 10-Jul-2019 09:56

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tdgeek:

Thanks for that. And no, re Hybrids, it wont be pretty.

Maybe they could treat hybrids as EV's for RUC, and charge them a petrol price per litre minus RUC, that can be just coded as a an exemption on the till, maybe with a sticker on the licence plate soi the garage attendant can check that visually for a car that they arent sure if its a hybrid. Slightly inconvenient (if need to see the plate) , but a very simple process otherwise

Do what they do with tax exempt diesels in Australia. Have one pump for taxed vehicles and one for those that aren’t taxed. Seriously that would become a pain in the proverbial.

No point taxing them at WOF time either, because who will get a WOF when you know there is potentially a $1000 bill at the end of it.

The easiest solution is to remove all taxes from all fuel and everyone uses RUC.

My idea is easiest. Circle colour sticker on the windshield, press that button on the till, no tax. So, now EV and hybrids are RUC free. Do an A/P to pay RUC. Or pay manually as we do now. Login if you wish to NZTA, type in mileage so you can see where your RUC fees, less whats already paid is at. Most of us will soon get a feel for what we incur, so a weekly A/P would tidy most of that up, add a tickle more, so no WOF surprises. But yes, maybe not force link it to WOF. Maybe force people ahead to keep it current? Or a wireless hubodometer that will bill your card every week?

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#2273770 10-Jul-2019 10:06

As our cars become more and more connected, it would be nice if they could just handle the RUC purchase for us!

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#2273790 10-Jul-2019 10:28

As our car fleet is old and there will not be testing as part of the WOF, the idea that this will make much difference to emissions efficiency is laughable.

Old polluting cars will continue to pollute until they brake down and get replaced by trickle down newer imports.

I'm dismayed that the most pro EV political party turned out to be the national party.

Staggering.

(Greens why are you in the coalition)

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#2273792 10-Jul-2019 10:33

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(Greens why are you in the coalition)

They squandered any potential for leverage when they declared that they would never work with National. They could've been the kingmaker instead of Winston if they had knocked on Bill English' door first.

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#2273794 10-Jul-2019 10:36

I can see why BMW got rid of their CEO...the new Electric Mini might have been good if it was released in 2014 but with only 200km range, a 0-100 of over 7 seconds, capable of only charging at a max of 50kW and a likely price of over NZ$70k it just doesn't stack up with anything being offered today for the same price or even less. Try again, BMW.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/all-electric-mini-cooper-se/

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#2273809 10-Jul-2019 11:01

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I can see why BMW got rid of their CEO...the new Electric Mini might have been good if it was released in 2014 but with only 200km range, a 0-100 of over 7 seconds, capable of only charging at a max of 50kW and a likely price of over NZ$70k it just doesn't stack up with anything being offered today for the same price or even less. Try again, BMW.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/all-electric-mini-cooper-se/

One does not buy a BMW if one is concerned with such vulgarities as "price".

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#2273816 10-Jul-2019 11:10

SaltyNZ:

Obraik:

I can see why BMW got rid of their CEO...the new Electric Mini might have been good if it was released in 2014 but with only 200km range, a 0-100 of over 7 seconds, capable of only charging at a max of 50kW and a likely price of over NZ$70k it just doesn't stack up with anything being offered today for the same price or even less. Try again, BMW.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/all-electric-mini-cooper-se/

One does not buy a BMW if one is concerned with such vulgarities as "price".

Yeah but buying a BMW means you usually get more for your money. This isn't really playing out with their EV offerings

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#2273882 10-Jul-2019 11:32

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Yeah but buying a BMW means you usually get more for your money. This isn't really playing out with their EV offerings

I feel that applies across the board. Offerings, value. It doesn't matter right now as there are no EV's to buy, almost literally, or the models, or the utes. But that is all coming, and I feel that when they can produce real numbers, they will drop prices by amortising R+D over a higher number of near future sales That will allow the higher production, when it happens, to be sold. Today it doesnt matter, charge heaps, the small numbers will sell. Remember, with RUC back on, its about $1 for litre equivalent "fuel", EV' will not be a massive cost saver, so they need to be priced competitively to ICE

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#2273885 10-Jul-2019 11:41

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I feel that applies across the board. Offerings, value. It doesn't matter right now as there are no EV's to buy, almost literally, or the models, or the utes. But that is all coming, and I feel that when they can produce real numbers, they will drop prices by amortising R+D over a higher number of near future sales That will allow the higher production, when it happens, to be sold. Today it doesnt matter, charge heaps, the small numbers will sell. Remember, with RUC back on, its about $1 for litre equivalent "fuel", EV' will not be a massive cost saver, so they need to be priced competitively to ICE

I think you missed my point. This EV offering from BMW isn't competitive with EVs on the market today. Even the new Nissan Leaf has more range.

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#2273887 10-Jul-2019 11:45

Obraik:

tdgeek:

I feel that applies across the board. Offerings, value. It doesn't matter right now as there are no EV's to buy, almost literally, or the models, or the utes. But that is all coming, and I feel that when they can produce real numbers, they will drop prices by amortising R+D over a higher number of near future sales That will allow the higher production, when it happens, to be sold. Today it doesnt matter, charge heaps, the small numbers will sell. Remember, with RUC back on, its about $1 for litre equivalent "fuel", EV' will not be a massive cost saver, so they need to be priced competitively to ICE

I think you missed my point. This EV offering from BMW isn't competitive with EVs on the market today. Even the new Nissan Leaf has more range.

I didnt miss your point, I wasnt commenting on BMW, I was commenting on the lack of value is everywhere right now, and why, and how that may change. Which is why I removed the BMW text and said "I feel that applies across the board."

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#2273909 10-Jul-2019 12:03

Obraik:

I can see why BMW got rid of their CEO...the new Electric Mini might have been good if it was released in 2014 but with only 200km range, a 0-100 of over 7 seconds, capable of only charging at a max of 50kW and a likely price of over NZ$70k it just doesn't stack up with anything being offered today for the same price or even less. Try again, BMW.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/all-electric-mini-cooper-se/

BMW have successfully invented the 2015 Nissan Leaf.

This is an embarrassment. Were I a German legislator, I'd be hauling their board before a committee to ask why VW, PSA et al are about to release EVs with 300km ranges and 100kw DC charging and BMW is releasing vehicles with previous-generation technology.

I'm a Mini owner and probably the target market for this. I'll wait for an electric Audi S1.

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#2273923 10-Jul-2019 12:18

GV27:

Obraik:

I can see why BMW got rid of their CEO...the new Electric Mini might have been good if it was released in 2014 but with only 200km range, a 0-100 of over 7 seconds, capable of only charging at a max of 50kW and a likely price of over NZ$70k it just doesn't stack up with anything being offered today for the same price or even less. Try again, BMW.

https://electrek.co/2019/07/09/all-electric-mini-cooper-se/

BMW have successfully invented the 2015 Nissan Leaf.

This is an embarrassment. Were I a German legislator, I'd be hauling their board before a committee to ask why VW, PSA et al are about to release EVs with 300km ranges and 100kw DC charging and BMW is releasing vehicles with previous-generation technology.

I'm a Mini owner and probably the target market for this. I'll wait for an electric Audi S1.

I'm not sure the legislators care (although I'll admit I don't know how Germany works) but I'm sure the investors/shareholders certainly would like to know what they were thinking.

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