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Obraik
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  #2314947 11-Sep-2019 12:43
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tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, that 2022 (almost 3 years away) date is ridiculous. 

 

 

I dont see how.They want to sell as many as possible. You and others want to buy as many as possible. the issue is production numbers. If production equalled global demand they would be everywhere. They aren't until production increases. You should know that.

 

 

The problem is that New Zealand doesn't have the incentives that European countries have to drive the same demand and thus, interest the car companies. Europe starts receiving the ID3 from mid next year - we have to wait another 2 years, which just so happens to coincide with the governments announced incentives.


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  #2314961 11-Sep-2019 13:04
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Obraik:

 

tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, that 2022 (almost 3 years away) date is ridiculous. 

 

 

I dont see how.They want to sell as many as possible. You and others want to buy as many as possible. the issue is production numbers. If production equalled global demand they would be everywhere. They aren't until production increases. You should know that.

 

 

The problem is that New Zealand doesn't have the incentives that European countries have to drive the same demand and thus, interest the car companies. Europe starts receiving the ID3 from mid next year - we have to wait another 2 years, which just so happens to coincide with the governments announced incentives.

 

 

So you are saying that production is so high that it can easily satisfy all buyers globally? Including NZ, but in NZ no one wants to buy till the paltry incentives arrive?  That tells me that Kiwis don't care about climate change as they put $ ahead of carbon. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2314964 11-Sep-2019 13:08
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tdgeek:

 

That tells me that Kiwis don't care about climate change as they put $ ahead of carbon. 

 

 

 

 

Yes. That's right.





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  #2314970 11-Sep-2019 13:22
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tdgeek:

 

So you are saying that production is so high that it can easily satisfy all buyers globally? Including NZ, but in NZ no one wants to buy till the paltry incentives arrive?  That tells me that Kiwis don't care about climate change as they put $ ahead of carbon. 

 

 

Incentives drive demand. Europe has incentives, NZ doesn't. Therefore, production goes to where the extra demand is which is Europe. The proposed incentives here are about equal with many of the European incentives.

 

So yeah, the manufactures are going to prioritize the countries where they can sell their products cheaper.


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  #2314976 11-Sep-2019 13:32
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Obraik:

 

tdgeek:

 

So you are saying that production is so high that it can easily satisfy all buyers globally? Including NZ, but in NZ no one wants to buy till the paltry incentives arrive?  That tells me that Kiwis don't care about climate change as they put $ ahead of carbon. 

 

 

Incentives drive demand. Europe has incentives, NZ doesn't. Therefore, production goes to where the extra demand is which is Europe. The proposed incentives here are about equal with many of the European incentives.

 

So yeah, the manufactures are going to prioritize the countries where they can sell their products cheaper.

 

 

Ok so production is in fact limited. Yes, agree, NZ is low priority, low interest until the subsidy is here. Its about $ after all , not climate change


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  #2314982 11-Sep-2019 13:58
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tdgeek:

 

Ok so production is in fact limited. Yes, agree, NZ is low priority, low interest until the subsidy is here. Its about $ after all , not climate change

 

 

Yes, it's VW's first serious attempt at an EV that isn't a compliance vehicle (the e-golf) and they're retooling one of their factories to be an EV factory. It's not just Tesla that takes time to spin up their manufacturing ;)


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  #2315055 11-Sep-2019 14:41
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Obraik:

 

tdgeek:

 

Ok so production is in fact limited. Yes, agree, NZ is low priority, low interest until the subsidy is here. Its about $ after all , not climate change

 

 

Yes, it's VW's first serious attempt at an EV that isn't a compliance vehicle (the e-golf) and they're retooling one of their factories to be an EV factory. It's not just Tesla that takes time to spin up their manufacturing ;)

 

 

I never said otherwise. Production is low globally, but making strides

 

On a different note, its clear that the manufacturers are getting stuck in. Well, they have been stuck in for a while now, but now we are seeing the fruits of that as brands are putting real cars up for grabs. In 2 to 3 years there should be a lot of choice

 

You may recall I was looking at a car for golf. I couldnt really justify an old Leaf, for what will be a car to literally just go to golf on. So I went back to my 6k Nissan Note option, and stumped for a 2010 Honda Fit Mugen for just under 9k with a NZ stereo and screen. Once EV range and prices improve we will look to flick the main car and likely the FIT for a couple of EV's one new one not new


 
 
 
 


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  #2317131 13-Sep-2019 13:21
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A short video review of the Volkswagen ID.3 by Carfection's Henry Catchpole at the Frankfurt Motor Show

 

 

Another video from Henry was on the Mercedes-Benz Vision EQS,

 


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  #2317174 13-Sep-2019 14:27
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WyleECoyoteNZ:

A short video review of the Volkswagen ID.3 by Carfection's Henry Catchpole at the Frankfurt Motor Show



You sure that's not the Xmen's Wolverine doing the segment?

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  #2317438 13-Sep-2019 22:05
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tdgeek:

 

So you are saying that production is so high that it can easily satisfy all buyers globally? Including NZ, but in NZ no one wants to buy till the paltry incentives arrive?  That tells me that Kiwis don't care about climate change as they put $ ahead of carbon. 

 

 

I hear this all the time. Most people don't understand how serious climate change is already. They think they have a choice.....

Tesla is making more EVs than anyone outside China....and that's about to increase even more. You can order one today and have it in 3 months. No shortages.





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  #2317631 14-Sep-2019 11:15
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Tesla has developed and patented a new battery design that is said to last "1 million miles" while also being cheaper to make https://electrek.co/2019/09/13/tesla-patent-battery-cell-better-performance-cheaper/

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  #2319888 18-Sep-2019 16:40
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Honda e final production car

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  #2320660 19-Sep-2019 19:05
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Is this the cheap electric car we all want? Chinese only Renault City K-ZE

EV Opinion

May want to skip to two minute mark


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  #2320991 20-Sep-2019 10:08
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I guess we now know what Amazon is getting out of its investment into Rivian

 

Amazon is buying 100,000 Rivian made EV delivery vans between now and 2024

 

The front looks a lot like the Honda E

 


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  #2321066 20-Sep-2019 11:45
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Obraik:

 

The front looks a lot like the Honda E

 

 

The "ringed" daytime running lights trend is everywhere these days, Land Rover's new Defender has them too!

 


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