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  #2412356 4-Feb-2020 11:43
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tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

On the topic of price parity

 

 

Good news. Price parity in 2024, not too long to wait, as you would expect a wide range of models by then also, which is the other issue

 

 

Price parity will not happen in 2024 unless there has been a significant ramp up in EV production, as long as demand outstrips supply Car companies will make you pay more for EVs

 

That article talks about "when aggregate demand is expected to exceed 2 TWh." That's 30 million 60Kwh vehicles,  Total EV production in 2019 was 2 million, I simply cannot see supply matching demand, thus car companies will charge continue to charge more for EVs than ICE vehicles..

 

 

 

Also the article talks about

 

If you drove an EV back in 2010, it’s likely that you paid an average of about $1,100 per kilowatt-hour for your battery pack. By the end of 2019 this figure had fallen a full 87%, to $156 per kWh

 

The price of a Nissan Leaf between 2010 and 2019 did not change, you simply got much more range and more bang for your buck,

 

Entry level cars are pretty sticky in price $20-$30K NZD, so far no EV gets close...

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2412365 4-Feb-2020 11:51
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wellygary:

 

Price parity will not happen in 2024 unless there has been a significant ramp up in EV production, as long as demand outstrips supply Car companies will make you pay more for EVs

 

That article talks about "when aggregate demand is expected to exceed 2 TWh." That's 30 million 60Kwh vehicles,  Total EV production in 2019 was 2 million, I simply cannot see supply matching demand, thus car companies will charge continue to charge more for EVs than ICE vehicles..

 

 

 

Also the article talks about

 

If you drove an EV back in 2010, it’s likely that you paid an average of about $1,100 per kilowatt-hour for your battery pack. By the end of 2019 this figure had fallen a full 87%, to $156 per kWh

 

The price of a Nissan Leaf between 2010 and 2019 did not change, you simply got much more range and more bang for your buck,

 

Entry level cars are pretty sticky in price $20-$30K NZD, so far no EV gets close...

 

 

Well yes, it will depend what manufactures do with the lower cost batteries. Obviously some are going to choose to put more battery in their cars and keep the price the same but improve the functionality. However it still has the opportunity to open up a lower price category for EVs that have the same range as the 2010 Leaf but at a much lower price. 

 

So yeah, in 2024 it might be that the Leaf is now a car with the range of a Model 3 from today for a price that's similar to todays Leaf. However Nissan might have a new Micra equivalent EV with the same range of an early Leaf for $20-30k. 


 
 
 
 


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  #2412366 4-Feb-2020 11:52
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wellygary:

 

tdgeek:

 

Obraik:

 

On the topic of price parity

 

 

Good news. Price parity in 2024, not too long to wait, as you would expect a wide range of models by then also, which is the other issue

 

 

Price parity will not happen in 2024 unless there has been a significant ramp up in EV production, as long as demand outstrips supply Car companies will make you pay more for EVs

 

That article talks about "when aggregate demand is expected to exceed 2 TWh." That's 30 million 60Kwh vehicles,  Total EV production in 2019 was 2 million, I simply cannot see supply matching demand, thus car companies will charge continue to charge more for EVs than ICE vehicles..

 

 

 

Also the article talks about

 

If you drove an EV back in 2010, it’s likely that you paid an average of about $1,100 per kilowatt-hour for your battery pack. By the end of 2019 this figure had fallen a full 87%, to $156 per kWh

 

The price of a Nissan Leaf between 2010 and 2019 did not change, you simply got much more range and more bang for your buck,

 

Entry level cars are pretty sticky in price $20-$30K NZD, so far no EV gets close...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, exactly. The article used the words expected, carefully. No harm no foul. If over priced and low production EV's are being fully sold, why lower the price? Marketing 101. When production increases and competition from other makes increases, then you look at ways to maximise sales, that's supply and demand price changes


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  #2414371 7-Feb-2020 19:49
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A bit of "white person problems" and way too many tourism segways, but interesting if you considering a 2020 Toyota Prius Prime XLE.

10 things I HATE about my 2020 Toyota Prius Prime XLE

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I’ve owned my 2020 Toyota Prius Prime for just about 2 months and in this video I share the 10 things I hate about this car that you should know about when shopping for one.


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  #2414497 8-Feb-2020 07:27
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Picked a 2018 PHV Prius just over a week ago. No complaints ....as it is parked to the side in the garage. I can open the back wide open and it doesn't catch the garage door opener. Also..the guy in the video (mashing the buttons) is not waiting long enough for it to go back into battery mode.


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  #2414539 8-Feb-2020 09:50
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Model Y Coming Next Month, Sono Raises €50million, Will Smith in a Taycan — TEN

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  #2414682 8-Feb-2020 18:30
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Great Wall's ORA R1 will be available in China very soon. 300km range, touch controls, China price with govt subsidies: NZ$13343





Great Wall has a presence in NZ.

 
 
 
 


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  #2414749 8-Feb-2020 20:19
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It's smaller than a "kei" car, like the Mitsubishi icar / i-MiEV.

That is a small urban car, but impressive range.

Mitsubishi i-MiEV has literally half the claimed range, but I'd venture Mitsubishi is a lot safer, with Euro NCAP four-star car safety rating.




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  #2414848 9-Feb-2020 07:46
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gzt: Great Wall's ORA R1 will be available in China very soon. 300km range, touch controls, China price with govt subsidies: NZ$13343





Great Wall has a presence in NZ.

 

Seems ok. Many Euro brands manufacturer in China, if this car met NZ safety standards, it would allow a mass take up here. May not fit my golf clubs though. Actually going by the second video, rear seat room os good, it might fit them. My Honda Fit Mugen that I got for golf travel, has heaps of rear room with the seats folded down


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  #2414849 9-Feb-2020 07:51
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tdgeek:

 

if this car met NZ safety standards, it would allow a mass take up here. May not fit my golf clubs though.

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure the average Kiwi is going to be keen on a car with a 33kW motor. And to get 300km out of a 33kWh battery, it's going to have to be pretty light.





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  #2414857 9-Feb-2020 08:20
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SaltyNZ:

 

tdgeek:

 

if this car met NZ safety standards, it would allow a mass take up here. May not fit my golf clubs though.

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure the average Kiwi is going to be keen on a car with a 33kW motor. And to get 300km out of a 33kWh battery, it's going to have to be pretty light.

 

 

Old Leafs had 24kW, then it was 30kW. IMO the average Kiwi will look at the RRP.


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  #2414889 9-Feb-2020 10:23
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China domestic electric vehicle sales are at approx 1.2 million vehicles per year. Adding a small family car at this price will be interesting. Buffet has invested in two electric vehicle makers in China. At some point all this development will get cars shipped to NZ..

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  #2414942 9-Feb-2020 11:04
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tdgeek:

 

Old Leafs had 24kW, then it was 30kW. IMO the average Kiwi will look at the RRP.

 

 

 

 

Your mixing up units. kWh for energy storage. kW for instantiations energy consumption or power.

The First generation leaf was available with 24kWh and 30kWh batteries. Both had 88kW motors.

The Second Generation leaf is available with either 40kWh with a 110kW motor, or 62kWh battery, and a 160kW motor.

 


A 30kW motor is going to be very very slow compared to what consumers are used to in electric cars. If people care or not is another factor, modern cars are excessively powerful for say suburban commuting (especially in a flat city).


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  #2414945 9-Feb-2020 11:17
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Scott3:

 

tdgeek:

 

Old Leafs had 24kW, then it was 30kW. IMO the average Kiwi will look at the RRP.

 

 

 

 

Your mixing up units. kWh for energy storage. kW for instantiations energy consumption or power.

The First generation leaf was available with 24kWh and 30kWh batteries. Both had 88kW motors.

The Second Generation leaf is available with either 40kWh with a 110kW motor, or 62kWh battery, and a 160kW motor.

 


A 30kW motor is going to be very very slow compared to what consumers are used to in electric cars. If people care or not is another factor, modern cars are excessively powerful for say suburban commuting (especially in a flat city).

 

 

Thanks. It has a 35kW motor and a 28.5kWh battery. Its therefore low spec, range is good, I assume it would perform well enough compared to a 1300cc ICE motor?

 

Top speed is bit low though at 102kph. If it was available here at Yuan to NZ exchange rate, plus shipping plus GST, what would that estimate out at? Less 2021 Subsidy. For those who want  a small EV, it would appear to be a small EV at I assume a nice price. And adequate around town performance.  


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  #2414947 9-Feb-2020 11:17
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tdgeek:

 

Scott3:

 

tdgeek:

 

Old Leafs had 24kW, then it was 30kW. IMO the average Kiwi will look at the RRP.

 

 

 

 

Your mixing up units. kWh for energy storage. kW for instantiations energy consumption or power.

The First generation leaf was available with 24kWh and 30kWh batteries. Both had 88kW motors.

The Second Generation leaf is available with either 40kWh with a 110kW motor, or 62kWh battery, and a 160kW motor.

 


A 30kW motor is going to be very very slow compared to what consumers are used to in electric cars. If people care or not is another factor, modern cars are excessively powerful for say suburban commuting (especially in a flat city).

 

 

Thanks. Was being lazy. It has a 35kW motor and a 28.5kWh battery. Its therefore low spec, range is good, I assume it would perform well enough compared to a 1300cc ICE motor?

 

Top speed is bit low though at 102kph. If it was available here at Yuan to NZ exchange rate, plus shipping plus GST, what would that estimate out at? Less 2021 Subsidy. For those who want  a small EV, it would appear to be a small EV at I assume a nice price. And adequate around town performance.  

 


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