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  #2422026 17-Feb-2020 06:36
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Interesting video. Clearly Tesla is the Apple of cars. [compliment] In the US it rivals other ICE cars for price, but it doesnt here. IMHO the next two years when regular car manufactures release EV's will tell the story. At 75k, Tesla isnt the people's car, the car that will reduce emissions. Even in the US the EV share is minimal. If China and India go hard out thats where emissions decreasing is worth talking about. So maybe 2 years to see where it all settles. Top brand cars, and mid brand, see where the dust settles. 

 

 

The Model 3 is a competitor to the BMW 3 Series and Audi A4.

 

Here in New Zealand since it first started selling the Model 3 has been outselling the 3 Series and A4 (none) each month

 

 

I know that, irrelevant to my post, I already stated its not the people's car, which implies the masses


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  #2422233 17-Feb-2020 10:12
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The Model 3 is a competitor to the BMW 3 Series and Audi A4.

 

Here in New Zealand since it first started selling the Model 3 has been outselling the 3 Series and A4 (none) each month

 

 

I know that, irrelevant to my post, I already stated its not the people's car, which implies the masses

 

 

Just making it clear that it's not meant to be a cheap car for everyone, but that it's outselling the competitors in its class ;)


 
 
 
 


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  #2422238 17-Feb-2020 10:18
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Just making it clear that it's not meant to be a cheap car for everyone, but that it's outselling the competitors in its class ;)

 

 

And we all know that, its been said how many times?

 

Thats why I said, "regular car manufactures release EV's, At 75k, Tesla isnt the people's car, So maybe 2 years to see where it all settles. Top brand cars, and mid brand, see where the dust settles."

 

This is the EV thread, not the Tesla thread


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  #2422240 17-Feb-2020 10:20
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And we all know that, its been said how many times?

 

Thats why I said, "regular car manufactures release EV's, At 75k, Tesla isnt the people's car, So maybe 2 years to see where it all settles. Top brand cars, and mid brand, see where the dust settles."

 

This is the EV thread, not the Tesla thread

 

 

Sorry, I'll reword it for you then. Just making it clear that an EV is outselling the ICE competitors in its class. Better? ;)


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  #2422244 17-Feb-2020 10:28
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Sorry, I'll reword it for you then. Just making it clear that an EV is outselling the ICE competitors in its class. Better? ;)

 

 

Dear me. If one day I do happen to do a post that says that an EV is outselling the ICE competitors in its class, I will include your comments


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  #2422247 17-Feb-2020 10:46
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Sorry, I'll reword it for you then. Just making it clear that an EV is outselling the ICE competitors in its class. Better? ;)

 

 

Dear me. If one day I do happen to do a post that says that an EV is outselling the ICE competitors in its class, I will include your comments

 

 

On further investigation I need to correct myself. Looking at the OpenData page and looking at other private registrations of Sedans/Saloons such as the Holden Commodore, Toyota Camry, Mazda 6, etc it's also outselling those much cheaper options. The only other to outsell it is the Mondeo (although it's classed as a Hatchback). One could say that an EV is one of the most popular private new sedan in NZ for January 2020.


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  #2422251 17-Feb-2020 10:54
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On further investigation I need to correct myself. Looking at the OpenData page and looking at other private registrations of Sedans/Saloons such as the Holden Commodore, Toyota Camry, Mazda 6, etc it's also outselling those much cheaper options. The only other to outsell it is the Mondeo (although it's classed as a Hatchback). One could say that an EV is one of the most popular private new sedan in NZ for January 2020.

 

 

LOL you should work for Simon! :-)

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  #2422252 17-Feb-2020 10:55
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On further investigation I need to correct myself. Looking at the OpenData page and looking at other private registrations of Sedans/Saloons such as the Holden Commodore, Toyota Camry, Mazda 6, etc it's also outselling those much cheaper options. The only other to outsell it is the Mondeo (although it's classed as a Hatchback). One could say that an EV is one of the most popular private new sedan in NZ for January 2020.

 

 

LOL you should work for Simon! :-)

 

 

 

 

Soimon doesn't back his claims up with numbers ;)


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  #2422253 17-Feb-2020 10:58
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On further investigation I need to correct myself. Looking at the OpenData page and looking at other private registrations of Sedans/Saloons such as the Holden Commodore, Toyota Camry, Mazda 6, etc it's also outselling those much cheaper options. The only other to outsell it is the Mondeo (although it's classed as a Hatchback). One could say that an EV is one of the most popular private new sedan in NZ for January 2020.

 

 

Possibly,

 

But its a rather pyrrhic victory as NZers don't buy Sedans in any great numbers, its either smaller hatches (corolla etc) or SUVS

 

Here are the top 15 sales models ( ex rental) for Jam 2020... ( from the MIA)

 

1 TOYOTA RAV4 569

 

2 KIA SELTOS 430

 

3 SUZUKI SWIFT 289

 

4 KIA SPORTAGE 280

 

5 NISSAN QASHQAI 270

 

6 MAZDA CX-5 254

 

7 TOYOTA COROLLA 245

 

8 MITSUBISHI OUTLANDER 232

 

9 MITSUBISHI ASX 199

 

10 HYUNDAI KONA 185

 

11 NISSAN X-TRAIL 145

 

12 HOLDEN ACADIA 142

 

13 HOLDEN TRAX 139

 

14 HYUNDAI TUCSON 137

 

15 VOLKSWAGEN TIGUAN 137

 

 

 

 


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  #2422256 17-Feb-2020 11:06
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On further investigation I need to correct myself. Looking at the OpenData page and looking at other private registrations of Sedans/Saloons such as the Holden Commodore, Toyota Camry, Mazda 6, etc it's also outselling those much cheaper options. The only other to outsell it is the Mondeo (although it's classed as a Hatchback). One could say that an EV is one of the most popular private new sedan in NZ for January 2020.

 

 

Possibly,

 

But its a rather pyrrhic victory as NZers don't buy Sedans in any great numbers, its either smaller hatches (corolla etc) or SUVS

 

 

Yeah, I'm aware...but it's still positive to see that in one class of vehicle an EV is coming out on top, even ahead of cheaper options in that class. It'll be interesting to see what the Model Y can do in the crossover/SUV classes.


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  #2422282 17-Feb-2020 11:27
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I didnt make any claims that require numbers, you did, and then, you cherry picked. My post was merely about , well I'm not going to repeat it, you can read. Get back to me when total EV registrations equal or better total ICE registrations, if that metric bugs you that much. Im more interested in mass market penetration which was the obvious context of my post.This is getting juvenile. And you wonder why people call others here evangelists, when topics get derailed. Ironically we all want EVs to be here and to be successful there isnt any need to campaign in it.


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  #2422289 17-Feb-2020 11:41
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I didnt make any claims that require numbers, you did, and then, you cherry picked. My post was merely about , well I'm not going to repeat it, you can read. Get back to me when total EV registrations equal or better total ICE registrations, if that metric bugs you that much. Im more interested in mass market penetration which was the obvious context of my post.This is getting juvenile. And you wonder why people call others here evangelists, when topics get derailed. Ironically we all want EVs to be here and to be successful there isnt any need to campaign in it.

 

 

Firstly, the topic IS on EVs, just because it's not the subtopic you're trying to dictate doesn't make it offtopic.

 

I'm not the one that seems to be bugged here, that appears to be you. The numbers are facts: an EV was the second most popular privately owned sedan in NZ for Jan 2020. That isn't cherry picking.

 

Change doesn't happen overnight and it's unrealistic for you to expect that. However it's pretty clear that the revolution has started. It appears car manufactures have started to notice too with the article I posted about Skoda mentions wanting to pilot their new EV here due to a noticed "strong appetite for EVs"


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  #2422302 17-Feb-2020 11:55
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Firstly, the topic IS on EVs, just because it's not the subtopic you're trying to dictate doesn't make it offtopic.

 

I'm not the one that seems to be bugged here, that appears to be you. The numbers are facts: an EV was the second most popular privately owned sedan in NZ for Jan 2020. That isn't cherry picking.

 

Change doesn't happen overnight and it's unrealistic for you to expect that. However it's pretty clear that the revolution has started. It appears car manufactures have started to notice too with the article I posted about Skoda mentions wanting to pilot their new EV here due to a noticed "strong appetite for EVs"

 

 

You are reading so much into everything, as usual. Your cherry picking has already been called out. No, I'm not bugged

 

I don't care if "an" EV was the second most popular privately owned sedan in NZ for Jan 2020. I would care if EV's were out registering ICE vehicles every month. That would be great

 

I at no time said change will take place overnight, you just did. I did mention that in a couple of years (when discussing mass market cars) that the dust may settle by then.

 

No im not dictating any topics here, I was commenting on mass market cars while go on about "AN" EV. So, you are just badgering on about a topic I wasnt even discussing (your "an" car) and being obstructive as usual. If you wish to comment on what I was talking about, i.e. if its not clear, mass market cars, then feel free. You actually did just say it wont change overnight but Id already alluded to that

 

So, stop trolling


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  #2422360 17-Feb-2020 12:38
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You are reading so much into everything, as usual. Your cherry picking has already been called out. No, I'm not bugged

 

I don't care if "an" EV was the second most popular privately owned sedan in NZ for Jan 2020. I would care if EV's were out registering ICE vehicles every month. That would be great

 

 

Good news then, since the Model 3 started selling it has been outselling those other mentioned cheaper sedans each month, not just Jan 2020.

 

 

I at no time said change will take place overnight, you just did. I did mention that in a couple of years (when discussing mass market cars) that the dust may settle by then.

 

No im not dictating any topics here, I was commenting on mass market cars while go on about "AN" EV. So, you are just badgering on about a topic I wasnt even discussing (your "an" car) and being obstructive as usual. If you wish to comment on what I was talking about, i.e. if its not clear, mass market cars, then feel free. You actually did just say it wont change overnight but Id already alluded to that

 

So, stop trolling

 

 

Anytime something positive is brought up about EVs, you move the goal post. The Model 3 is arguably a mass-market sedan since it's at the top of the private registration charts for that class. I don't really care if that's a topic you weren't discussing, this is how discussions work - one topic flows into another, as it has.  If you also want to brand me as an "EV evangelist" because stating numbers upsets you then so be it.


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  #2422387 17-Feb-2020 13:21
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Anytime something positive is brought up about EVs, you move the goal post. The Model 3 is arguably a mass-market sedan since it's at the top of the private registration charts for that class. I don't really care if that's a topic you weren't discussing, this is how discussions work - one topic flows into another, as it has.  If you also want to brand me as an "EV evangelist" because stating numbers upsets you then so be it.

 

 

My reply seems to have gone. I don't move a goal post, I was discussing mass market cars. Someone else mentioned people's car. So thats what at least two of us see as mass market. If you wish to deem that a 75k Tesla is a mass market car, that's fine.

 

Topics can flow from one thing to another, that's called change, but when you have some need to answer question on mass market cars with the "an" car, which we all know is your Tesla, then that's quite strange. Although that was my mistake as I didn't realise that a $75k car is off course a mass market car, a car for the masses, the people's car. Off course it is, yep :-)

 

Stating numbers doesnt upset me, hand picking ones that make a false point do though, that's misleading. I thought only politicians do that. But get back to me when "any" EV is matching ICE registrations. I will in fact be very pleased, as I do wish EV's to progress in NZ. Yes ALL EV's not just the ones I love.....


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