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kingdragonfly
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  #2497001 2-Jun-2020 20:07
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Before you say it, I know this more a clown car than transportation. It's probably a good way to get killed on a road.

Perhaps an adequate golf cart?


Jalopnik: Unboxing The World's Cheapest New Car Reveals It's So Much Better Than You Think



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  #2502516 10-Jun-2020 19:44
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Tesla Model 3 Autopilot crash

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Tesla Model 3 crashed into an overturned van this week while reportedly on Autopilot.

This tops our weekly electric car news with more stories about Tesla, Rivian, Porsche, NIO, Dyson, Mercedes-Benz EQS and others!


 
 
 
 


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  #2502525 10-Jun-2020 20:00
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Local Taycan pricing has been announced.  That sounds like news to me....

 

Starting from 203k.  The configurator makes for interesting reading in terms of range at temperature, with a/c, mix of driving conditions and Performance Battery Plus.

 

Importantly it looks like a Porsche - inside and out.

 

https://www.porsche.com/pap/_newzealand_/models/taycan/taycan-models/


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  #2502547 10-Jun-2020 20:29
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ockel:

 

https://www.porsche.com/pap/_newzealand_/models/taycan/taycan-models/

 

 

Cool. And they make a 'turbo' model too. The marketing team couldn't help themselves.


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  #2502548 10-Jun-2020 20:30
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kingdragonfly: Tesla Model 3 Autopilot crash

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Tesla Model 3 crashed into an overturned van this week while reportedly on Autopilot.

This tops our weekly electric car news with more stories about Tesla, Rivian, Porsche, NIO, Dyson, Mercedes-Benz EQS and others!


Yeah that person is an idiot. What was he doing for the long stretch of time leading up to impact?

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  #2502552 10-Jun-2020 20:39
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Obraik:
kingdragonfly: Tesla Model 3 Autopilot crash

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Tesla Model 3 crashed into an overturned van this week while reportedly on Autopilot.

This tops our weekly electric car news with more stories about Tesla, Rivian, Porsche, NIO, Dyson, Mercedes-Benz EQS and others!


Yeah that person is an idiot. What was he doing for the long stretch of time leading up to impact?
My thoughts exactly. The other issue is that Autopilot is a misnomer. From the Tesla website:

 

 

Is Tesla autopilot self driving?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes. Autopilot is a hands-on driver assistance system that is intended to be used only with a fully attentive driver. It does not turn a Tesla into a self-driving car nor does it make a car autonomous.

 

 

 

Interesting segment in the video about Neo's battery swapping technology BTW.

 

 

 

 


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  #2502608 11-Jun-2020 00:43
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Contrary to popular belief, Autopilot is exactly what the name implies. In Planes where Autopilot gets its name from, it's not a system that allows a pilot to get up and leave the plane to its own devices, the pilots have to be ready to take over at any point. It's exactly the same for a driver in a Tesla.

 
 
 
 


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  #2502744 11-Jun-2020 09:07
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Obraik: Contrary to popular belief, Autopilot is exactly what the name implies. In Planes where Autopilot gets its name from, it's not a system that allows a pilot to get up and leave the plane to its own devices, the pilots have to be ready to take over at any point. It's exactly the same for a driver in a Tesla.

 

But there in lies your problem, popular belief is otherwise....and it is those popular believers that are out driving on the road....

 

Whether passengers believe autopilot means a plane can fly its self from takeoff to landing doesn't really matter because they don't fly the plane....  but what drivers believe is pretty important when they push the "autopilot" button...


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  #2502747 11-Jun-2020 09:12
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wellygary:

But there in lies your problem, popular belief is otherwise....and it is those popular believers that are out driving on the road....


Whether passengers believe autopilot means a plane can fly its self from takeoff to landing doesn't really matter because they don't fly the plane....  but what drivers believe is pretty important when they push the "autopilot" button...


Just as well the car gives a warning when one first enables Autopilot what it can and can't do and what the driver must do.

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  #2502789 11-Jun-2020 10:35
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This article provides an in-depth appraisal of the differing levels of vehicle autonomy and the implications of AV introduction. As stated Tesla's level of autonomy is somewhere around level 2 - 3 so well short of total 'hands-off' vehicle control.

 

Another factor I have seen raised is that as vehicle autonomy level increases the risk of the vehicle relinquishing control to the driver at extremely short notice in the event of a situation where the autonomy recognises that it unable to deal with the circumstances unfolding increases. A no-win scenario for the driver being handed control without forewarning is likely to be the result, so who is to blame in such a situation the autonomous vehicle control system or the driver who receives the 'hospital pass'?

 

This video gives an indication of the amount of data processing being done by Tesla's Autopilot. Note that the telemetry system is not capable of the process of turning out of the carpark and onto the roadway as it is not sensing the traffic oncoming along the roadway, hence the need for driver control in situations other than in 'freeway' settings. This video is also interesting for its sheer amount of input data.


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  #2504001 13-Jun-2020 11:39
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14 minute video

Should Police use EVs? Tesla Model 3 vs Crown Vic Police Interceptor


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  #2506813 17-Jun-2020 16:52
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Whole video is interesting, but at

7:20 talks about self-driving long haul trucks
9:30 talks about electric long haul trucks

How Long-Haul Trucking Works

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  #2506870 17-Jun-2020 17:25
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kingdragonfly: 14 minute video

Should Police use EVs? Tesla Model 3 vs Crown Vic Police Interceptor

 

Big issue with the model 3 for police duty is the low payload.

 

LR AWD variant has a 418kg payload. SR RWD is a touch better at 449kg.

 

Neither is very much when you subtract two large fully kitted officers (worst case could be over 100kg each), plus all the police spec gear that need to be fitted:

 

  • Lightbar's & aftermarket lighting
  • Siren's
  • Radio's
  • Computers
  • Nudge bars?
  • House battery?
  • handgun locker in passenger foot well
  • Rifle locker in trunk (incl guns, ammo etc)
  • battons
  • Torches
  • Speed detection gear
  • Wet / cold weather gear
  • Body armour
  • Large first aid kit incl defribulator
  • Road cones & Accident signs
  • Spikestrips
  • Petrol can (Motorway police to clear out of fuel breakdowns)

My bet is if they ever needed to put two adults in the back the car would be well overloaded.


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  #2506930 17-Jun-2020 20:04
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I think worldwide, contrary to what you see on TV and movies, it's pretty rare to have to two cops in a car. Obviously a K9 unit would have a cop and a big dog, but almost never a passenger.

Again contrary to TV shows, it's pretty rare to put more than one person in the rear seat. By the time someone's arrested, there's usually at least one more cop car on the scene. Even having one person in the back seat can be hard to handle if they act out.

The exception to the one person in the back seat rule-of-thumb seems to be stranded people. The Crown Vic can fit three people in the bench style rear seat. Rare, but it does happen, in particular after accidents on remote sections of road.

EV's are pretty "torquey", much more than ICE cars, so I don't think driving a bunch of people back to a station is going to be a problem.

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  #2507125 18-Jun-2020 10:56
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Scott3: [Big issue with the model 3 for police duty is the low payload.

 

Many ICE cars have modifications to engines and undercarriage when converted/built for police use, so it's reasonably safe to assume a (potential) proper police version of the 3 (as opposed to EV's for Green-washing) would have different spec's to the public versions. 

 

Tesla could go the extra mile to sweeten the deal and include app's that allowed use of use of touch screens for accessing police databases etc.


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