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afe66
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  #2531198 30-Jul-2020 08:55
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The pol star looks nice as does the vw id3 and newest nissan.

I wonder how many would end up here.

I have a slight worry about support if you buy a car with fewer numbers here. Sad to say I'd probably still head tesla because there are more of them in nz and the impression that mainstream dealers would rather sell you a petrol car with ongoing service needs. Ie Nissan nz

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  #2531237 30-Jul-2020 09:38
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afe66: The pol star looks nice as does the vw id3 and newest nissan.

I wonder how many would end up here.

I have a slight worry about support if you buy a car with fewer numbers here. Sad to say I'd probably still head tesla because there are more of them in nz and the impression that mainstream dealers would rather sell you a petrol car with ongoing service needs. Ie Nissan nz
I would also suggest checking on the servicing requirements for an EV if you're purchasing from a large franchise.

 

At the time of purchasing our Leaf in 2014 we investigated buying one new from our local Nissan agent in New Plymouth. A new Leaf would have required 6 monthly services for 5 years to satisfy warranty terms (including for the battery) but this would have meant being transported to Auckland each time with a freight charge of $500 a time as the local agent flattly refused to have the work done locally. This was not only a ridiculous frequency of servicing with the lack of maintenance for an EV but also went against our environmental ideals in having to be trucked 300+km every 6 months. The situation may have changed now but if not be aware of the potential $5,000 'extra' if you're buying a Nissan EV regionally.

 

We ended up purchasing a near new Jap import and have been rapt with it.


 
 
 
 


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  #2531273 30-Jul-2020 10:58
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afe66: The pol star looks nice as does the vw id3 and newest nissan.

I wonder how many would end up here.

I have a slight worry about support if you buy a car with fewer numbers here. Sad to say I'd probably still head tesla because there are more of them in nz and the impression that mainstream dealers would rather sell you a petrol car with ongoing service needs. Ie Nissan nz

 

VW says they're going all in on EVs and that the ID3 is meant to become what the Golf is today. I expect when it does arrive, VW will be mandating its dealer networks to put it out front and center.

 

At this stage I have some confidence with VW as they've recognized for a while now that Tesla is a threat and that they're not going to just disappear. 


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  #2531457 30-Jul-2020 15:38
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I agree VW is probably one of the exceptions to my concerns if we see them truly going all in for EVs but that is probably some time away particularly for those of us in this corner of the world.

Expect us to be the selling location of the last ice cars they make though ormpossibly their dealerships branching out to old VW ice cars.

I'm thinking of upgrading our leaf to a bigger car in the next 18 months or so hence my Tesla comment rather than 5 years down the track.

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  #2531470 30-Jul-2020 16:04
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Yes, I don't think we're a priority for many companies at the moment when we have no incentives to sway people to EV options. They'll be directing their resources to the European markets with their strong incentives that are driving strong sales - such as VWs homeland where one could get a Zoe for nearly nothing.


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  #2532555 1-Aug-2020 08:56
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Really bad name, since "Bussy" is slang for alternate orifice. I guess they didn't watch the "Borat" film.

eBussy - Fully Modular Electric Vehicle


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  #2534969 5-Aug-2020 10:18
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  #2536368 7-Aug-2020 18:28
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Cheap, Cool & Crazy Electric Cars at Chengdu Motor Show

Fully Charged for Clean Energy & EVs

You may want to skip to 2:00 mark


Obraik
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  #2542724 17-Aug-2020 11:07
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How do our pedestrian impact regulations compare to the EU vs US? Or more importantly, what are other RHD market regulations like?

 

Elon has confirmed that the Cybertruck does not meet the EU's regulations and unless they can get an exemption (which he says is unlikely), the Cybertruck will not be making it to the EU. In his words, it  "is not a world truck". Later down the line they might make a EU spec truck.

 

This could very likely mean that the Cybertruck will not be coming to New Zealand.


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  #2542788 17-Aug-2020 11:51
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Obraik:

 

This could very likely mean that the Cybertruck will not be coming to New Zealand.

 

 

Well, you can order one in NZ, but you can’t order one in the UK.





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  #2542791 17-Aug-2020 11:54
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Obraik:

 

How do our pedestrian impact regulations compare to the EU vs US? Or more importantly, what are other RHD market regulations like?

 

Elon has confirmed that the Cybertruck does not meet the EU's regulations and unless they can get an exemption (which he says is unlikely), the Cybertruck will not be making it to the EU. In his words, it  "is not a world truck". Later down the line they might make a EU spec truck.

 

This could very likely mean that the Cybertruck will not be coming to New Zealand.

 

 

I think this is highly likely, 

 

Its very much a vanity project, and Tesla have said if it doesn't sell they will build a more "normal" pickup ...

 

 


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  #2542792 17-Aug-2020 11:56
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BlinkyBill:

 

Well, you can order one in NZ, but you can’t order one in the UK.

 

 

Currently you can still pre-order one in the UK, along with the rest of the EU. I'm guessing they're not going to remove that until they confirm they can't get an exemption.


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  #2542795 17-Aug-2020 12:03
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BlinkyBill:

 

Obraik:

 

This could very likely mean that the Cybertruck will not be coming to New Zealand.

 

 

Well, you can order one in NZ, but you can’t order one in the UK.

 

If my budget was up to Cybertruck purchasing capability I would be more likely to be checking out a Rivian. Cybertruck is certainly a visual statement but the Rivian RlT is a far more practical vehicle IMO.


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  #2542953 17-Aug-2020 15:28
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To be fair Europe was never going to be a big market for the cyber-truck. It's physical size would make it a chore to drive in many european settings.

In addition, in many european countries (I checked UK & Germany), a standard car licence only allows rigid vehicles of 3500kg or less to be driven, with anything over that requiring a small truck licence. Cybertruck based on published payload is unlikely to come in under 3500kg. Needing a special licence will dampen it's market potential.

 

 

 

Will be interesting to see if NZ & Aus is a big enough market to justify building the cybertruck in RHD. Currently full size USA pick ups i.e. ram 1500 command a NZ$95,000 price, and higher payload ones (i.e. Ram 3500) command $140k+. These prices are high as these are converted to RHD rather than being built that way in the factory.

HarmLessSolutions:

 

If my budget was up to Cybertruck purchasing capability I would be more likely to be checking out a Rivian. Cybertruck is certainly a visual statement but the Rivian RlT is a far more practical vehicle IMO.

 

 

 

 

Both the Cybertruck and Rivian R1T are interesting vehicles. Both are largely pitched as lifestyle vehicles aimed at private buyers (so practicality more focused at camping and snowboarding than commercial work), but other than that they are quite different.

 

R1T's smaller size likely makes it a better option in NZ, but the price is very high. Roughly double USD prices to get the price in NZ. As such expect the base R1T to come in around NZ$140k, where as the base Cyber-trick would be around the $80k price point, and the AWD around $100k. The latter would be within reach of buyers looking at the top spec ranger wildtrak ($72k), Ranger Raptor (84k), VW Amarok v6 ($90k) etc.

Cybertruck:

 

  • A lot cheaper (USD 39,900 - USD 69,900), where the base R1T is $69,000.
  • A lot longer (370mm)
  • Much more payload (1600kg vs 800kg)
  • A much longer bed (2438mm vs 1371mm) - for comparison a double cab hilux is 1569mm
  • Almost certainly over 3500kg GVM (giving a 90km/h max speed limit in NZ, and requiring more stringent commercial COF inspections, but allowing use of truck lanes).
  • Novel styling
  • 6 seater (vs 5 seater)

R1T:

 

  • 3470kg GVM, meaning WOF's, and posted speed limits.
  • More conventional styling
  • 4 motors on every trim, meaning no differentials, yay.

In a Head to head specs comparison, the top spec (USD69k) Cyber-truck destroys the base R1T (Same price, but eligible for a USD7.5k tax rebate in the USA).

 

  • 500mile range vs 230 miles
  • 2.9s 0-60 vs 4.9s
  • More cargo space and payload

Stateside the R1T has largely had it's lunch cut by the cyber-truck. Spec based buyers will be getting the latter, only leaving buyers who like the more normal styling or other features like the pass through storage box, or smaller dimensions.


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  #2542958 17-Aug-2020 15:34
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The R1T starting price isn't set yet. Since the Cybertruck was announced, Rivian has said that the R1T will now have a lower starting price but haven't said what that will be. At a guess, it will most likely be something competitive with the Cybertruck.

 

I do think the R1T would fit better with New Zealand than the Cybertruck. I'm curious what Tesla will do with their future "Euro friendly" ute.


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