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wellygary
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  #2691228 12-Apr-2021 10:19
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Jaxson:

 

Same could be said for local home direct online solar initiatives, something to get the ball rolling.  Anything really.

 

The problem is that EV subsidies get captured heavily by those in a position to buy a new car....  which is NZ is not many people, -

 

We have created a very internationally unique market where most people buy second hand imported cars... 


 
 
 

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  #2691236 12-Apr-2021 10:35
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wellygary:

 

Jaxson:

 

Same could be said for local home direct online solar initiatives, something to get the ball rolling.  Anything really.

 

The problem is that EV subsidies get captured heavily by those in a position to buy a new car....  which is NZ is not many people, -

 

We have created a very internationally unique market where most people buy second hand imported cars... 

 

 

 

 

There's no reason the EV subsidies can't be applied to secondhand imported EVs too.





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  #2691336 12-Apr-2021 12:00
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wellygary:

 

The problem is that EV subsidies get captured heavily by those in a position to buy a new car....  which is NZ is not many people, -

 

We have created a very internationally unique market where most people buy second hand imported cars... 

 

 

Would it really be a bad thing to encourage more NZ new purchases rather than importing used vehicles?





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  #2691382 12-Apr-2021 12:56
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Plus, as has been mentioned here before, a decent proportion of those cars purchased new with a subsidy will, after a few years, be resold on the sh market, thereby expanding the number of sh EVs available further down the chain and hopefully help keep prices down... We surely can’t expect the sh import market to provide enough vehicles to make a sizeable difference in EV uptake?

 

The biggest issue at the moment is the inertia and lack of action - just make a $&#* decision and implement it; it’s not like the govt hasn’t had enough time to do the background work, irrespective of the NZF fly in the ointment.


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  #2691389 12-Apr-2021 13:10
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Obraik:

 

Would it really be a bad thing to encourage more NZ new purchases rather than importing used vehicles?

 

 

For safety reasons alone, yes.  


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  #2691407 12-Apr-2021 13:42
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SaltyNZ:

 

There's no reason the EV subsidies can't be applied to secondhand imported EVs too.

 

 

Except it can't scale up well... 

 

NZ's importation of Used EVs is heavily dependant on their adoption in other countries and in particular Japan, and in 2020 only 11,000 Leafs were sold in Japan 

 

Between 2014-2019 only ~100,000 EVs were sold in Japan 

 

 

 

But as others have said it would be very helpful in EV adoption for NZ to buy more new cars as opposed to used...

 

 

 

 


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  #2691444 12-Apr-2021 14:17
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It doesn't have to be an either/or thing. 




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  #2691456 12-Apr-2021 14:42
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GV27:

Obraik:


Would it really be a bad thing to encourage more NZ new purchases rather than importing used vehicles?



For safety reasons alone, yes.  



Yes it would be a bad thing? Why?





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  #2691458 12-Apr-2021 14:43
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Maybe they could have a lower GST rate on ev’s? 5%.





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  #2691461 12-Apr-2021 14:49
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Geektastic: Maybe they could have a lower GST rate on ev’s? 5%.

 

Or on Food, or Medicine, or XXXx....

 

reducing GST on ABC turns up whenever someone wants to incentivise things,

 

The last time was NZ First with GST off "basic" Food, and they had government by  the short and curlies -- and it still didn't happen.

 

It ain't gonna happen so move on now... :) 


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  #2691462 12-Apr-2021 14:50
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jonathan18: Plus, as has been mentioned here before, a decent proportion of those cars purchased new with a subsidy will, after a few years, be resold on the sh market, thereby expanding the number of sh EVs available further down the chain and hopefully help keep prices down... We surely can’t expect the sh import market to provide enough vehicles to make a sizeable difference in EV uptake?

 

Unfortunately the Greenies and socialists are joined at the hip and are greatly confused by this issue and can also only see out to the next election cycle - you must not benefit the rich by subsidising new cars - the down stream benefit to the poor is not within the current voting horizon so is irrelevant. As I said earlier, compound/complex solutions seem to be confusing to any product of the NZ education system. 


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  #2691499 12-Apr-2021 15:44
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It's hard to stay on topic when the two are so tightly intertwined here.

 

If you want adoption to improve then you need to remove barriers preventing easy uptake.

 

 

 

You've now got a government unencumbered by the handbrake of MMP other parties veto etc, but with this comes the situation that any major change is going to hurt the current support.
In a situation that should on paper mean any changes wanted can be pushed through, the fear of offending voters is seeing quite the opposite.


Through parents retirement and subsequent downsizing to retirement community 'villas' I'm now directly involved in the hunt for a new car.
Whilst they bring a raft of owner specific requirements (small car, easy to access, easy to park and manoeuvre in town, 360 aerial view camera system, safety features etc) there really is just no additional motivation given to adopt a more sustainable/low impact car beyond the purchases personal desire to do so.


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  #2691503 12-Apr-2021 15:51
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Jaxson:

 

Through parents retirement and subsequent downsizing to retirement community 'villas' I'm now directly involved in the hunt for a new car.
Whilst they bring a raft of owner specific requirements (small car, easy to access, easy to park and manoeuvre in town, 360 aerial view camera system, safety features etc) there really is just no additional motivation given to adopt a more sustainable/low impact car beyond the purchases personal desire to do so.

 

 

Small electric runabouts comparable to the cost point of an ICE are still a long way down the road (Unless you live in China)

 

A BMW i3 would hit pretty many of your requirements, but you are looking at 80K.... 


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  #2691526 12-Apr-2021 16:10
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Extend fringe benefit advantages to new evs like urban utes oh sorry like "work vehicles"

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  #2691544 12-Apr-2021 16:23
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wellygary:

 

Small electric runabouts comparable to the cost point of an ICE are still a long way down the road (Unless you live in China)

 

A BMW i3 would hit pretty many of your requirements, but you are looking at 80K.... 

 

 

The i3 is absolutely not good value for money brand new. However, they can be had second hand from $25-30k and at that price they're a decent EV - watercooled too!





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