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Dingbatt
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  #2829087 9-Dec-2021 08:15
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SaltyNZ:

 

jarledb:

 

My main gripes with the Lexus is that it's small and expensive for what it is, the range is too short, and it is a BEV built on an ICE platform. AND it it uses CHAdeMO for charging. 

 

 

 

 

Exactly. For what will likely be a similar price when it gets here, the model Y will have significantly longer range and faster charging.

 

 

They are for completely different markets though. On size alone you are comparing an upmarket local commuter/shopping basket with a family suv/crossover.

 

The UX300e is a compromise vehicle where Lexus has jammed an electric powertrain into an ICE chassis to get something onto the market. It will appeal to people who want the Lexus quality in an EV (and have cash to burn). It doesn’t make sense on rational ‘my car is an appliance’ perspective, but there is a level of emotion wrapped up in a car for a lot of people.

 

Speaking of which, I have managed to tire-kick (look at, not test drive) both the Ioniq 5 and the Polestar 2. I found the Ioniq 5 to be very much in the ‘appliance’ end of vehicles, both inside and out. It’s exterior styling looks kind of Minecraft-ish that reminds me of an enlarged squared up Austin Allegro. The inside feels very sterile. It falls somewhere between minimal-ness of the Model3 and a conventional layout.

 

The more conventional is where the Polestar sits in my opinion. The least impressive aspect was the colour range on display. Very……..understated. It is smaller than I expected it to be from videos I had watched and not obviously an EV, which will suit some people and not others. I’m a fan of sedans and the Polestar is definitely more sedan-like than almost any other EV except the Model3 (and S). Now I have seen the size of it, I believe it is more of a competitor for the UX300e than the M Y is, and would be my preference. I’d have to check, but I think it can tow as well.





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  #2829397 9-Dec-2021 12:13
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Dingbatt:

 

The UX300e is a compromise vehicle where Lexus has jammed an electric powertrain into an ICE chassis to get something onto the market. It will appeal to people who want the Lexus quality in an EV (and have cash to burn). It doesn’t make sense on rational ‘my car is an appliance’ perspective, but there is a level of emotion wrapped up in a car for a lot of people.

 

 

I'm a bit out of touch when it comes to the quality battles but if I was wanting to go with a legacy automaker for their "known quality" I'd probably go with the Mercedes EQA, which Stuff's motoring team has now got as a daily driver





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  #2829435 9-Dec-2021 12:46
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I'd be surprised if the lexus wasnt well built and reliable 

As for Merc EVs the EQC I dont think has been a bad car not heard a lot but then its barely sold




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  #2829449 9-Dec-2021 13:03
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I think the mentioned EQA will be the bigger seller for Mercedes. It's priced similarly to other EV compact SUVs





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  #2829471 9-Dec-2021 13:35
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Oh for sure, the EQC is in the same ballpark as the iPace and etron , dont know if they have just not made many (this I think) or sold many.

 

 

 

Shame they couldnt get one under 80k


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  #2829874 10-Dec-2021 12:06
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Mentions in passing why Teslas are much less likely to catch fire than a petrol vehicle.

If I'm not mistaken, Teslas are rated as the safest cars in the world.

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  #2829878 10-Dec-2021 12:10
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oooh cool looking forward to that episode!




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  #2829882 10-Dec-2021 12:23
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The Tesla-Powered Jaguar Is Fully Assembled* (*Not actually fully assembled)

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  #2829993 10-Dec-2021 15:01
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I Heard the Audi RS E-Tron at low speed for the first time the other day...

 

Its weird, but kinda cool to hear an EV actually make a speed sensitive sound..
(it cuts out at around 30kms- it a EU-US mandate for pedestrian notification) 

 

 

 

 

 


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  #2829997 10-Dec-2021 15:06
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wellygary:

 

I Heard the Audi RS E-Tron at low speed for the first time the other day...

 

Its weird, but kinda cool to hear an EV actually make a speed sensitive sound..
(it cuts out at around 30kms- it a EU-US mandate for pedestrian notification)

 

 

 

 

Ugh, so glad we don't have to do that here. It sounds like they got Steven Spielberg in and told him to make a sound that will make people think about a future car from the futury future in a sci fi movie.





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  #2830002 10-Dec-2021 15:19
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it kinda sucks the teslas dont have that here for all the fun stuff they added


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  #2830009 10-Dec-2021 15:23
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I expect Tesla will develop its AI to the point where the car looks for pedestrians and says “Mind out, there’s a car coming”* to warn them.

 

 

 

* Or an American equivalent thereof.





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  #2830010 10-Dec-2021 15:25
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SaltyNZ:

 

wellygary:

 

I Heard the Audi RS E-Tron at low speed for the first time the other day...

 

Its weird, but kinda cool to hear an EV actually make a speed sensitive sound..
(it cuts out at around 30kms- it a EU-US mandate for pedestrian notification)

 

 

 

 

Ugh, so glad we don't have to do that here. It sounds like they got Steven Spielberg in and told him to make a sound that will make people think about a future car from the futury future in a sci fi movie.

 

 

If I got an EV I would want it to be silent  like an Electric bus and the likes otherwize just have a big V8 with short pipes. 





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  #2830017 10-Dec-2021 15:36
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old3eyes:

 

If I got an EV I would want it to be silent  like an Electric bus and the likes otherwize just have a big V8 with short pipes. 

 

 

 

 

Or an actual 18-wheeler truck air horn, sounded when the automatic emergency braking system detects an unwary pedestrian.





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Despite looking like a hippy enclave, in Seattle Washington, Lake Union house boat births were mind-meltingly hard to get 30 years ago, so no idea what a berth costs now.


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