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  #3043209 28-Feb-2023 12:59
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jonathan18:

So, total banana (or bannaba?!) box capacity of the Enyaq is 10, as is the Model Y (given it actually has a frunk). Based on that I’m not losing that much capacity having elected for a Y ahead of a Enyaq (and we have found the Y more than capacious enough both in rear legroom and boot space). Obviously a bit less range but, in real-world impact, that’s not a biggie.

But I’ve also saved a huge amount of money (over $20k), I have a considerably faster accelerating and more powerful car, I get to use a user interface that’s highly regarded vs one that’s been panned by many…

In other words, I’m really struggling to find why anyone would buy an Enyaq, based on the specs/pricing of these NZ models. It’ll be interesting to see how many do.

 

It's going to be niche for sure.

 

With both the Model Y and Kia EV6 at in excess of $20k cheaper (and really strong offerings in their own rights), a buyer would really need a strong reason to go for the Enyaq.

 

Perhaps for somebody with large dog's, that don't want the steeply sloping rear glass found in both the Kia EV6 & the Model 3?

 

Perhaps for somebody who needs to transport a particular bulky item that does fit in the Enyaq, nut not the others?

 

Perhaps somebody for who's use case, the cargo space of the EV6 is not enough, and the range of the Model Y is not enough?

 

Perhaps a Skoda or Euro car enthusiast?

 

 

 

But the issue is the Niche is really narrow. At the pricepoint there are plenty of other EV options about.

For the dog owner, or Euro car enthusiast, one would have to compare against a BMW ix3, which can be had for $90k ex demo. 460km rated range, 210kW motor, 9 Banana boxes (better spelling this time).

https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/cars/bmw/ix3/listing/4011030999


 

And for those that really care about cargo space, the Entry level Mafa 9, And the LDV T 60 EV both come in under the subsidy cap.


 
 
 

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  #3043212 28-Feb-2023 13:05
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wellygary:

 

shk292:

 

 many more charge cycles than an EV one, will expire within 5 years or so - but then it's much smaller than an EV battery so won't cost so much to replace

 

 

 

 

Plenty of +5 year Priuses cruising the streets as Ubers in most CBDs .. I wouldn't worry about the battery

 

 

Can't really comment on Honda, But the NiMH batteries in most Toyota / Lexus Hybrids are well managed, and typically last the life of the vehicle. (outside of taxi duty)

 

Have a 17 year old, 200,000km+ example sitting in the driveway.

 

If the batteries do fail, they are a lot smaller / cheaper than pure EV / PHEV batteries, and thanks to the taxi industry there is an active aftermarket who will install refurbished or third party batteries at a more reasonable price.


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  #3043538 1-Mar-2023 11:54
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  #3043541 1-Mar-2023 11:56
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Tesla Investor Day today. We can expect some new product news:

 

New Model 2 ($40K in NZ?)

 

 

Refreshed Model 3

 

 

 

And...? 


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  #3043543 1-Mar-2023 11:59
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Not my Australian favorite presenter. Talks extensively zinc galvanization as typical rust prevention in most cars.

Also the lack of it in Chinese and Indian cars, to save a few bucks. Some of these cars show up abroad.

The truth about the BYD Atto 3 EV rust problem

Auto Expert John Cadogan


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  #3043547 1-Mar-2023 12:07
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exador:

 

Tesla Investor Day today. We can expect some new product news:

 

New Model 2 ($40K in NZ?)

 



Ok, I like this!





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  #3043552 1-Mar-2023 12:23
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exador:

 

Tesla Investor Day today. We can expect some new product news:

 

 

Except that its in Texas, where its still 28 Feb...  so not until 2/3 in this part of the world...




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  #3043553 1-Mar-2023 12:23
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Another vote for significant interest in a “Model 2” (whatever it ends up being called)!

My wife likes driving our Model Y but finds it too large, and even a Model 3 is larger than she really needs. When it comes time to replace her current Leaf a smaller Tesla hatchback would probably be ideal, especially given all the other current options come with compromises (eg Atto 3’s interior).

Any word as to whether it’ll come with an LFP battery?

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  #3043556 1-Mar-2023 12:29
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I hope it’s gestation is shorter than that of the Cybertruk.

 

If they can manage a smaller footprint with the same range as the M3rwd then they will be on to a winner (imo).

 

It might save on manufacturing costs if they ‘photoshop’ as many M3 parts on it as the Autocar render has (including chrome surrounds that were deleted a while ago).





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  #3043575 1-Mar-2023 13:42
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Mehrts:

 

exador:

 



Ok, I like this!

 

 

they sacked the cybertruck and model Y designer?


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  #3043634 1-Mar-2023 14:32
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kingdragonfly: Not my Australian favorite presenter. Talks extensively zinc galvanization as typical rust prevention in most cars.

Also the lack of it in Chinese and Indian cars, to save a few bucks. Some of these cars show up abroad.

The truth about the BYD Atto 3 EV rust problem

Auto Expert John Cadogan

 

thanks

 

note to self - look for rust in 2nd hand CHinese EVs. ...

 

seems to be a lucky draw some rust and some haven't yet


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That 2 render has sick 206 WRC vibes, it just needs the shopping trolley handle rear spoiler and it could be the car of my teenage dreams.

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38677720/1999-peugeot-206-wrc-for-sale/

 

 


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GV27:

 

That 2 render has sick 206 WRC vibes, it just needs the shopping trolley handle rear spoiler and it could be the car of my teenage dreams.

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38677720/1999-peugeot-206-wrc-for-sale/

 

 

You want sick? Lancia are set to reinvent themselves as an EV-only brand. How about an electric Delta Integrale?

 


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  #3043744 1-Mar-2023 18:48
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Can it transform into a giant robot?





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exador:

 

GV27:

 

That 2 render has sick 206 WRC vibes, it just needs the shopping trolley handle rear spoiler and it could be the car of my teenage dreams.

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a38677720/1999-peugeot-206-wrc-for-sale/

 

 

You want sick? Lancia are set to reinvent themselves as an EV-only brand. How about an electric Delta Integrale?

 

 

 

Why can't a "car" be revised as an EV car without all this future/different aspect? The power plant is not relevant to the 4 doors we need, Bluetooth we need and the colour scheme we need

 

Oh and the cup holders...

 

A 2004 Corolla with EV or ICE is a 2004 Corolla. Powerplant is not relevant. (2004 Corolla is obviously just an example)


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