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Aredwood
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  #1924779 24-Dec-2017 23:51
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An electric car is one that runs on, and is ‘charged up’ with, electric power alone. An electric car is only ever refuelled with electricity itself, which enters the car (normally) by means of a charging cable, and never by liquid or other fuel. The electricity is stored in batteries before being used by electric motors to drive the car’s wheels.

 

This is in contrast to hybrid cars, which have electric elements to their powertrains but which cannot be considered ‘electric cars’ due to the presence of a petrol engine. This point has caused confusion recently, as some manufacturers (and indeed commentators) have incorrectly referred to hybrid cars as ‘electric cars’.

 

Perhaps this definition should be adopted in New Zealand?

 

 

 

 

@frednz Would you classify the Nissan Note Epower as an Electric car? Or would you instead classify it as a hybrid car?






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  #1924781 25-Dec-2017 00:10
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Aredwood:

frednz:


An electric car is one that runs on, and is ‘charged up’ with, electric power alone. An electric car is only ever refuelled with electricity itself, which enters the car (normally) by means of a charging cable, and never by liquid or other fuel. The electricity is stored in batteries before being used by electric motors to drive the car’s wheels.


This is in contrast to hybrid cars, which have electric elements to their powertrains but which cannot be considered ‘electric cars’ due to the presence of a petrol engine. This point has caused confusion recently, as some manufacturers (and indeed commentators) have incorrectly referred to hybrid cars as ‘electric cars’.


Perhaps this definition should be adopted in New Zealand?


 



@frednz Would you classify the Nissan Note Epower as an Electric car? Or would you instead classify it as a hybrid car?

i would say it is an electric. The fuel cell can be battery, hydrogen, or petrol. All are used for storing electricity to run the electric motors

 
 
 
 


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  #1924787 25-Dec-2017 01:02
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kingdragonfly: This is relevant because various economists have said the a New Zealand subsidy would NOT help EV sales.

 

Thats an easy one to test. See how EVs are doing in Norway, a country with about the same population as NZ: 32% EV Market Share In Norway

 

 


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  #1924795 25-Dec-2017 05:34
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Aredwood:

 

@frednz Would you classify the Nissan Note Epower as an Electric car? Or would you instead classify it as a hybrid car?

 

 

The car is a series hybrid.  The power is generated by burning petrol, the petrol motor it has is the only source of power it has.  The power generated does get stored in batteries and fed into the traction motor as needed, but that battery is small and has no option to take any power from the grid.  It is definitely not an electric car, nor is it a plug-in hybrid, it is just a hybrid.  The Prius is a parallel hybrid - the petrol motor can drive the wheels in parallel with the electric motor.  The Note e-Power is a series hybrid where the petrol engine ONLY generates electricity and it is only the electric motor that drives the wheels.

 

I've never heard anyone describe a diesel-electric train as an electric train.  Electric trains exist and they don't need diesel to run.  Similarly the petrol-electric Note e-Power shouldn't be described as an electric car.


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  #1924809 25-Dec-2017 06:53
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Norway is well ahead of NZ but it's multifactorial - including eg government incentives for EVs starting 20+ years ago, having a more mature charging infrastructure with over 600 fast chargers vs we only have just over 60.

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  #1924820 25-Dec-2017 07:42
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jarledb:

kingdragonfly: This is relevant because various economists have said the a New Zealand subsidy would NOT help EV sales.


Thats an easy one to test. See how EVs are doing in Norway, a country with about the same population as NZ: 32% EV Market Share In Norway


 



Just to be clear, my next statement was "I disagree", meaning I support subsidies.

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  #1924823 25-Dec-2017 08:13
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Merry Xmas to all posters on this forum Great to see the help and advice given by people.


 
 
 
 


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  #1925073 25-Dec-2017 20:14
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Aredwood:

frednz:


An electric car is one that runs on, and is ‘charged up’ with, electric power alone. An electric car is only ever refuelled with electricity itself, which enters the car (normally) by means of a charging cable, and never by liquid or other fuel. The electricity is stored in batteries before being used by electric motors to drive the car’s wheels.


This is in contrast to hybrid cars, which have electric elements to their powertrains but which cannot be considered ‘electric cars’ due to the presence of a petrol engine. This point has caused confusion recently, as some manufacturers (and indeed commentators) have incorrectly referred to hybrid cars as ‘electric cars’.


Perhaps this definition should be adopted in New Zealand?


 



@frednz Would you classify the Nissan Note Epower as an Electric car? Or would you instead classify it as a hybrid car?



It's not a battery electric car because it requires petrol and there battery is very small.

It's not a pluggable hybrid because you can't in any way run it without petrol.

So it isn't an "EV".

But it is a hybrid.




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  #1925358 26-Dec-2017 15:24
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paulchinnz: Norway is well ahead of NZ but it's multifactorial - including eg government incentives for EVs starting 20+ years ago, having a more mature charging infrastructure with over 600 fast chargers vs we only have just over 60.

 

Yes along way ahead of us and I think even more ahead by Hydro Electric Generation.Not sure on their exact figures.They do export oil and gas,which makes no sense really.


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  #1925568 27-Dec-2017 07:42
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Teething problem + very anal driver + very quiet car = most of problems

Still its shocking the number of visits to the dealer in the first year.


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  #1925572 27-Dec-2017 07:46
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And despite below average/below reliability, Tesla owners still enamoured.


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  #1925573 27-Dec-2017 07:46
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And despite below average/below reliability, Tesla owners still enamoured.


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  #1925586 27-Dec-2017 08:53
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paulchinnz:

And despite below average/below reliability, Tesla owners still enamoured.



The full report is behind a paywall, but that CR site seems a very opinionated piece of writing on all the evaluated models. Most common complaint is a ‘stiff’ ride (with no explanation?) though the Tesla X didn’t even get that critique... all they found to say was wrong...
Trouble spots: Body hardware, paint and trim, climate system


Basically they think the Xwing doors will become a problem, though no referenced examples of it actually being a problem were given?

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  #1925698 27-Dec-2017 13:19
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PhantomNVD:
paulchinnz:

 

And despite below average/below reliability, Tesla owners still enamoured.

 



The full report is behind a paywall, but that CR site seems a very opinionated piece of writing on all the evaluated models. Most common complaint is a ‘stiff’ ride (with no explanation?) though the Tesla X didn’t even get that critique... all they found to say was wrong...
Trouble spots: Body hardware, paint and trim, climate system


Basically they think the Xwing doors will become a problem, though no referenced examples of it actually being a problem were given?


There are people trying to sink Tesla. Possibly because they have shorted Tesla stock and need it to fall.

But the list of people who would like to see Tesla fail, competitors and disrupted industries, is long.





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  #1925717 27-Dec-2017 13:51
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PhantomNVD: 

 

Basically they think the Xwing doors will become a problem, though no referenced examples of it actually being a problem were given?

 

The Falcon Wing Doors are a problem on the Model X. They often are a little miss-aligned and that can lead to several different problems. You just have to follow some Model-X owners (like Bjørn) to learn about them.

 

I have driven both the Model X and the Model S, and I really like Tesla, with the Model-X being my favourite of the two. But at this stage they are nowhere near the quality of a BMW (or for that matter the quality and reliability of a Toyota).

 

Tesla is using a lot of money on supporting the cars, and the customer experience with having them fix problems seem to be really good. The question is how its going to be for the Model 3 and out of warranty Model S/X. The customer service they provide to Model S/X owners surely can't scale to many hundred thousand cars.


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