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#3313323 27-Nov-2024 06:46

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MikeFly:

I am in that category, couldn't care less.

By commenting in the thread, you have shown it is of interest to you, regardless of your protestation.

You have misunderstood what I am saying.

John1234 said there are people who will buy Tesla regardless of how big a dickhead Musk is, I am one of those.

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#3313328 27-Nov-2024 08:00

The unfortunate reality is that if we boycotted every company whose CEO is a raging d***head then we'd all be sleeping naked in the dirt and eating grass. Having said that when the time comes to replace the Tesla it won't be like it was in 2022 when I bought it - there are now plenty of other EVs with similar range and other features for the same or lower price. So while Musk owning Tesla wouldn't be a huge factor in the decision, it would be far from a foregone conclusion.

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#3313333 27-Nov-2024 08:21

SaltyNZ:
The unfortunate reality is that if we boycotted every company whose CEO is a raging d***head then we'd all be sleeping naked in the dirt and eating grass. Having said that when the time comes to replace the Tesla it won't be like it was in 2022 when I bought it - there are now plenty of other EVs with similar range and other features for the same or lower price. So while Musk owning Tesla wouldn't be a huge factor in the decision, it would be far from a foregone conclusion.

Yeah, but I’d argue that not all raging d***heads are created equal: there are your run-of-the-mill raging d***heads (say, some of our national politicians), some seriously dodgy raging d***heads (eg Bezos) and then… there’s a special category of raging d**heads right at that far end where I’d situate a few individuals including Musk (and Trump).

And, yep, that I own a car in which the majority shareholder is such a threat to humanity doesn’t sit comfortably with me, and was one of the main reasons I was seriously considering the Mach E a week or two back. (And, man, every time I drive my Y I think back to that much more comfortable ride!) Totally agree there are many other options out there now, and I’d be unlikely to have another Tesla on the shortlist, primarily due to its connection to Musk.

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#3313346 27-Nov-2024 09:05

I guess none of you will be making use of Starlink either then?

Not choosing a vehicle, even if it fits your requirements perfectly, just because of your perception of one person, is virtue signalling nonsense*. If so then Ford and VW are off the table due to people associated with their origins. Any Chinese manufacturer also, due to the likely connection to the CCP and possible human rights issues.

My main reason for looking elsewhere from Tesla is that they keep taking stuff out of their cars to reduce manufacturing costs. That has always been Musk’s focus, even before he went from darling to devil in many people’s eyes with his takeover of Twitter. He has even said the cars only have a steering wheel because it is required by regulation.
The deletion of the stalks is a step too far and probably a deal breaker for me, although I note you can get aftermarket work-arounds for that now.

Personally, I look for a vehicle that is fit for purpose, nice to drive and not too expensive as my primary goals.

*I guess if your main purpose in buying an EV is to virtue signal, then that would fit perfectly.

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#3313355 27-Nov-2024 09:15

Dingbatt:

Not choosing a vehicle, even if it fits your requirements perfectly, just because of your perception of one person, is virtue signalling nonsense*. If so then Ford and VW are off the table due to people associated with their origins. Any Chinese manufacturer also, due to the likely connection to the CCP and possible human rights issues.

Slight difference here between Ford/VW and Tesla. I'll let you work out what it might be…

Add me to the list of folks who will never buy a Tesla as long as Musk is at the helm.

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#3313365 27-Nov-2024 10:06

Personally, I wouldn't know who is at the helm of BYD...and frankly I couldn't care less.

As fleets adopt EV's there will be more and more on the road being driven by people who don't get a choice of vehicle, unless they want to reject having a company vehicle (and frankly in this economy, you'd have to be mad to do that).

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#3313367 27-Nov-2024 10:20

Maybe time to get back on topic.

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#3313387 27-Nov-2024 12:36

While Musk isn't helping Tesla at the moment, I think it is the lack of any recent innovation that will be the death nail for the brand.

They appear to have no new cars in development, which is pretty much throwing in the towel given the pace of Chinese innovation.

The top spec Omoda E5 is $20k cheaper than a base Model 3, so the value proposition for buying a Tesla is getting harder to justify. And the Omoda comes with indicator stalks as standard.

100% subsidies in North America may delay Tesla's demise by a year or two, but won't be able to prevent the inevitable.

Personally, I think Musk has lost interest/'can read the writing' for Tesla vehicles, now preferring his space ambitions and cozying up to Trump to further these.

Will be interesting to see what becomes of the Tesla Supercharger infrastructure installed across the globe in the not-to-distant future - how long will Tesla want to continue to support these once they have exited the EV market?

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#3313389 27-Nov-2024 12:42

Musk bankrolling Tesla but otherwise staying out of the way / being given toddler choices to make --> Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y.

Musk making material engineering decisions --> Cybertruck.

EDIT - I forgot the Model X!

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#3313392 27-Nov-2024 12:48

Just out of curiosity - is there a reason that the Model X is no longer available in NZ?
That was always my favourite Tesla from the outside looking in.

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#3313394 27-Nov-2024 12:54

Handsomedan:

Just out of curiosity - is there a reason that the Model X is no longer available in NZ?
That was always my favourite Tesla from the outside looking in.

I believe sales of the S and X were just too slow to justify it. To be fair, they aren't exactly priced for the common man.

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#3313396 27-Nov-2024 12:56

Handsomedan:

Just out of curiosity - is there a reason that the Model X is no longer available in NZ?
That was always my favourite Tesla from the outside looking in.

From what I understand right hand drive markets were considered too small for the manufacture of Models S & X with this build constraint to be considered viable.

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#3313397 27-Nov-2024 13:07

HarmLessSolutions:

Handsomedan:

Just out of curiosity - is there a reason that the Model X is no longer available in NZ?
That was always my favourite Tesla from the outside looking in.

From what I understand right hand drive markets were considered too small for the manufacture of Models S & X with this build constraint to be considered viable.

Correct. No RHD MS or MX are being made for any market.

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#3313410 27-Nov-2024 14:09

Just had a look at the Kia EV5 at the local dealer. It was bigger than I expected, and looks better in the metal than it does in photos (imo). It was the “Earth” AWD model, so $80450+ORC (prices range from $68.5K to $85.5K plus ORC). Quite nicely appointed, but has an NMC battery. Wired Apple CarPlay and Android Auto though, come on Kia get with the times!
Will be interesting to compare with the Sealion 7, which I believe is due Q1 next year.

The salesman offered a test drive of the EV5, I may take him up on it at some stage.

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#3313423 27-Nov-2024 15:00

dafman:

While Musk isn't helping Tesla at the moment, I think it is the lack of any recent innovation that will be the death nail for the brand.

They appear to have no new cars in development, which is pretty much throwing in the towel given the pace of Chinese innovation.

The top spec Omoda E5 is $20k cheaper than a base Model 3, so the value proposition for buying a Tesla is getting harder to justify. And the Omoda comes with indicator stalks as standard.

100% subsidies in North America may delay Tesla's demise by a year or two, but won't be able to prevent the inevitable.

Personally, I think Musk has lost interest/'can read the writing' for Tesla vehicles, now preferring his space ambitions and cozying up to Trump to further these.

Will be interesting to see what becomes of the Tesla Supercharger infrastructure installed across the globe in the not-to-distant future - how long will Tesla want to continue to support these once they have exited the EV market?

It's probably not a surprise, but I have a rather differing opinion.

Tesla's latest vehicle, the Cybertruck, has quite a bit of new innovation in it that the current EV market hasn't seen yet. Things like

Splitting the 800v pack into a 400v pack when charging at 400v chargers so the vehicle can charge at the maximum rate (other 800v EVs use a limited buck converter)
Steer by wire
48v low voltage system

Tesla's EVs are still the some of the most efficient that you can get - most other EVs need much bigger packs to be able to get the same amount of range and charging speed that Tesla does. It's also not required that Tesla has the cheapest vehicle available - that's not their goal and it doesn't seem to matter, they still sell the most EVs of any company. Tesla currently has 6 vehicles on the market (one of which is no longer made) with another two to be released in the next couple of years - BMW I believe has around 10, so not that many more.

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