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MikeAqua
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  #1971027 8-Mar-2018 08:51
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wellygary:

 

MikeAqua:

 

That's a neat looking little car.

 

 

Yeah, but at the moment that is all it is,

 

We have no idea about range or price, two pretty important things when you buy an EV.....

 

 

I imagine the range will be horrid.  But I wouldn't take a little car like that very far anyway.

 

Would need to be <20k to be competitive.





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  #1971047 8-Mar-2018 09:45
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MikeAqua:

 

wellygary:

 

MikeAqua:

 

That's a neat looking little car.

 

 

Yeah, but at the moment that is all it is,

 

We have no idea about range or price, two pretty important things when you buy an EV.....

 

 

I imagine the range will be horrid.  But I wouldn't take a little car like that very far anyway.

 

Would need to be <20k to be competitive.

 

 

"No powertrain or range details were given at launch, but Honda said the car would include a high-density lightweight battery pack, integrated heat management and energy transfer functions both to and from the vehicle. A source at Honda suggested a short to middling range, so 155 miles (250km) is expected."

 

I could live with 250km range if the battery could be rapid-charged properly. 


 
 
 
 


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  #1971070 8-Mar-2018 10:09
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GV27:

 

"No powertrain or range details were given at launch, but Honda said the car would include a high-density lightweight battery pack, integrated heat management and energy transfer functions both to and from the vehicle. A source at Honda suggested a short to middling range, so 155 miles (250km) is expected."

 

I could live with 250km range if the battery could be rapid-charged properly. 

 

 

Good little car for teenage kids to drive.





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  #1971078 8-Mar-2018 10:34
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MikeAqua:

 

GV27:

 

"No powertrain or range details were given at launch, but Honda said the car would include a high-density lightweight battery pack, integrated heat management and energy transfer functions both to and from the vehicle. A source at Honda suggested a short to middling range, so 155 miles (250km) is expected."

 

I could live with 250km range if the battery could be rapid-charged properly. 

 

 

Good little car for teenage kids to drive.

 

 

Except i'll wager it will come with a 50K+ price tag,


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  #1971108 8-Mar-2018 10:56
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wellygary:

 

i'll wager it will come with a 50K+ price tag,

 

 

Surely not.  It's a very small car and is competing with ICEs around the $20k mark.





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  #1971190 8-Mar-2018 13:05
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MikeAqua:

 

wellygary:

 

i'll wager it will come with a 50K+ price tag,

 

 

Surely not.  It's a very small car and is competing with ICEs around the $20k mark.

 

 

What ICEs can you buy for $20K new? 

 

I see this fitting in about $35k - $45K trying to undercut the Mini. 


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  #1971201 8-Mar-2018 13:13
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What ICEs can you buy for $20K new? 

 

I see this fitting in about $35k - $45K trying to undercut the Mini. 

 

 

For example Suzuki swift is  <$20k

 

Honda jazz is close at $22k

 

Mirage $19k

 

 

 

 





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  #1971284 8-Mar-2018 15:47
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MikeAqua:

GV27:


What ICEs can you buy for $20K new? 


I see this fitting in about $35k - $45K trying to undercut the Mini. 



For example Suzuki swift is  <$20k


Honda jazz is close at $22k


Mirage $19k


 


 



I suspect it’s competing with the egolf, exactly the same as the original civic that competed with the original golf.

Just because it’s small doesn’t mean it’s cheap. It doesn’t cost much more to manufacture a large vehicle, it’s just that we are used to paying more for them. Large vehicles just have larger profit margins and subsidise small car prices, which the car companies must sell to comply with emission standards.

I can see small ice vehicles disappearing first as EV sales pick up.




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  #1971373 8-Mar-2018 19:22
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The new Jaguar I-Pace is looking quite smart. I wonder how much it will retail for here?


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  #1971379 8-Mar-2018 19:41
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happyfunball:
MikeAqua:

 

GV27:

 

 

 

What ICEs can you buy for $20K new? 

 

 

 

I see this fitting in about $35k - $45K trying to undercut the Mini. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example Suzuki swift is  <$20k

 

 

 

Honda jazz is close at $22k

 

 

 

Mirage $19k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



I suspect it’s competing with the egolf, exactly the same as the original civic that competed with the original golf.

Just because it’s small doesn’t mean it’s cheap. It doesn’t cost much more to manufacture a large vehicle, it’s just that we are used to paying more for them. Large vehicles just have larger profit margins and subsidise small car prices, which the car companies must sell to comply with emission standards.

I can see small ice vehicles disappearing first as EV sales pick up.



 

I would have thought that small ICE will hang around longer as while FF based, they run on an oily rag, comparitively.

 

 


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  #1971428 8-Mar-2018 21:19
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@DaveB - European Car Imports (Auckland outfit) looking at bringing I-Pace base model ex-UK for ~$130k.


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  #1973295 12-Mar-2018 15:24
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Been thinking about renting a VW eGolf for a weekend trip from Christchurch to Queenstown and back. (about a 470km trip)  $219 (3-days) with Europcar.  I'd easily spend $200 in petrol with my 2006 Subaru Forester (basically a tank each way).  Looks like i'd need to charge it twice on the trip down as they have a 220km range. So maybe another $20 each way for power as there are a couple free charging spots along the way.

 

While the trip if done today is probably still cheaper in my forester, it wont be long before i'm ditching the petrol car in favor for a EV. Plus i get to enjoy the trip in a brand new car and don't have to worry about Rego/WOF/tyres etc etc

 

Next year will be interesting when the 2019 leafs have a 450km+ range or cost of fuel goes up and i'm spending $120+ on a tank.


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  #1973313 12-Mar-2018 15:47
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happyfunball:

 

I can see small ice vehicles disappearing first as EV sales pick up.

 

That seems counter-intuitive to me.

 

The smaller cars are where the biggest price premium for EV over ICE will be and where the fuel costs of an ICE are lowest, so the potential savings are lowest.

 

Is it the battery packs that drive the higher cost of EVs? Electric motors are simple and cheap and everything else of the vehicle is a subset of regular car parts.

 

 

 

 





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  #1973541 12-Mar-2018 20:38
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MikeAqua:

The smaller cars are where the biggest price premium for EV over ICE will be and where the fuel costs of an ICE are lowest, so the potential savings are lowest.


Is it the battery packs that drive the higher cost of EVs? Electric motors are simple and cheap and everything else of the vehicle is a subset of regular car parts.


 



Yes batteries are expensive, but still cheaper than petrol. The price premium on an EV is because you don’t pay for petrol up front on an ICE. If you count the cost of petrol EVs can be cheaper. And batteries are cheaper every year.

Small ICE cars are made and sold for regulatory reasons not business reasons. They don’t make much money and some models lose money. As we see more EVs sold small cheap ICE cars will be rare birds. No reason to make them anymore if the car companies aren’t forced too and there is no profit in them.

There will still be small ICE cars just not the cheapest ones.



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  #1973601 12-Mar-2018 22:01
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GV27:

 

Linuxluver:

 

The inability to import these zero emission LHDs just shows our governments still have not thought through the emissions impact on their regulatory framework.

 

...or that it's inherrently more dangerous to drive a LHD vehicle in a country where everything is based around RHD vehicles? This regime is in place for a reason. 

 

 

Probably. But why allow some and not others? 





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