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kingdragonfly
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  #2012674 9-May-2018 13:23
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http://autotalk.co.nz/news/comcom-ev-developments

ComCom looks into EV developments
Posted by Scott Morgan on May 9th, 2018

The Commerce Commission is investigating how electricity distributors are dealing with emerging technologies, including electric vehicles.

Its first step has been to publish an open letter to better understand how the industry is planning, investing and accounting for emerging technologies.

"Emerging technologies like battery storage, solar, electric vehicles and home automation systems have the potential to revolutionise the way New Zealanders live and the types of energy we consume. This work is about ensuring our regulation keeps pace with these rapid changes," commission deputy chairwoman Sue Begg says.

The letter also reminds electricity lines companies about how emerging technology costs and revenues should be accounted for in order to comply with their regulatory requirements.

"The main purpose of EV chargers is to charge cars, not transport electricity. Therefore, our starting point is that we do not expect the costs associated with chargers to be included in their regulated asset bases, as they are not a cost of providing regulated services that consumers ultimately pay for through their power bills," Begg says.

"We need to ensure that consumers benefit from advances in technology, while at the same time promoting the development of competitive energy markets. Regulated monopolies should not have an unfair advantage over existing and future competitors in this space."

Lines companies are also reminded about their obligations under Part 2 of the Commerce Act to ensure they do not enter into agreements which will substantially lessen competition, Begg says.

The commission welcomes feedback on its intention to gather further information by May 18 to regulation@comcom.govt.nz.

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  #2012843 9-May-2018 18:20
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/103756937/kiwi-company-launches-first-freefloating-car-share-programme-in-australasia

Kiwi company launches first 'free-floating' car share programme in Australasia

"...The Council plans to use the Mevo project as a guide to wider application of car-sharing policy in the future.

The Audi A3 e-tron used for the Mevo fleet is a plug-in hybrid vehicle. According to Audi, it's capable of up to 50km of electric running on a single charge; when the battery is depleted, it reverts to petrol-electric hybrid operation.

Mevo has both casual and membership plans. Users can pay by the hour ($16-$23) or day ($96-$138), with fixed prices for overnight ($32-$46)..."

 
 
 
 


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  #2012946 9-May-2018 20:23
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kingdragonfly: https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/103756937/kiwi-company-launches-first-freefloating-car-share-programme-in-australasia

Kiwi company launches first 'free-floating' car share programme in Australasia

"...The Council plans to use the Mevo project as a guide to wider application of car-sharing policy in the future.

The Audi A3 e-tron used for the Mevo fleet is a plug-in hybrid vehicle. According to Audi, it's capable of up to 50km of electric running on a single charge; when the battery is depleted, it reverts to petrol-electric hybrid operation.

Mevo has both casual and membership plans. Users can pay by the hour ($16-$23) or day ($96-$138), with fixed prices for overnight ($32-$46)..."

 

To be honest I think car shares in NZ are a solution looking for a problem,

 

WCC was all keen on "City Hop" in 2008/9

 

https://wellington.govt.nz/~/media/your-council/plans-policies-and-bylaws/plans-and-policies/annualreport/2008-09/files/07transport.pdf

 

But EVs (even PHEVs)  are more sexy for them and its now seems that "Mevo" is the new flavour of the month...

 

Personally I cannot see the financial logic in running a car hire firm built around $75K vehicles

 

 

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  #2012980 9-May-2018 21:39
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wellygary:

 

To be honest I think car shares in NZ are a solution looking for a problem,

 

 

 

In big (functioning) cities, car sharing services are a good thing.

 

Not sure Auckland falls in that category, but Wellington has a pretty good public transport system, so I would guess people living in the middle of Wellington won't really want to own their own car, and will get by without one most of the time.

 

Parking a car when you live smack in the middle of a big city is expensive, and getting around is mostly easier by public transport. So you only need a car when you are doing shopping and might need to get heavier things from point A to point B, or you want to go on longer trips.


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  #2013409 10-May-2018 13:55
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kingdragonfly:

 

Users can pay by the hour ($16-$23) or day ($96-$138), with fixed prices for overnight ($32-$46)..."

 

Ace & Jucy will rent you a car from about $55/day -- why would anyone pay $96-$138?

 

 


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  #2013471 10-May-2018 15:31
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Funny video about a Chinse electric car.

Hopefully the new and giant EV movement in China is producing some models better than the Weego




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  #2014321 11-May-2018 19:59
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Re: car share - they would need to protect battery from swap with special bolts/system - some dodgy people may borrow car for a day and swap new battery (or modules from within) for an old ones.

 

A guy who rented out his Prius for 3 days told me - he got is back with swapped battery, but found it only when it was too late ...

 

For the same reason battery exchange projects for EVs were not successful.

 

 





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  #2014859 12-May-2018 17:58
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Nissan announces mass market sylphy electric for china based on leaf components:

https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/releases/nissan-sylphy-zero-emission-electric-car-debuts-at-auto-china-2018



Aka pulsar? Imports may turn up here.

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  #2014940 12-May-2018 20:55
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Electric busses are now a thing in NZ too 👍

https://news.aut.ac.nz/around-aut-news/new-zealands-first-electric-bus-hits-the-road

Not to wait 20 years till they retire it and I replace the batteries and have the biggest Motorhome battery pack in the country 😬

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  #2014979 13-May-2018 00:09
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gzt: Nissan announces mass market sylphy electric for china based on leaf components:

https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/releases/nissan-sylphy-zero-emission-electric-car-debuts-at-auto-china-2018



Aka pulsar? Imports may turn up here.

 

Very unlikely. They will be left-hand drive only.





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  #2015010 13-May-2018 09:07
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gzt: Nissan announces mass market sylphy electric for china based on leaf components:

https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/releases/nissan-sylphy-zero-emission-electric-car-debuts-at-auto-china-2018



Aka pulsar? Imports may turn up here.

 

Not if they're from China they won't unless the gov changes the rules about LHD cars. 





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  #2015011 13-May-2018 09:08
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PhantomNVD: Electric busses are now a thing in NZ too 👍

https://news.aut.ac.nz/around-aut-news/new-zealands-first-electric-bus-hits-the-road

Not to wait 20 years till they retire it and I replace the batteries and have the biggest Motorhome battery pack in the country 😬

 

It will last until the battery needs replacing and then it will be converted to diesel.. 





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  #2015047 13-May-2018 10:46
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kingdragonfly: http://autotalk.co.nz/news/comcom-ev-developments

ComCom looks into EV developments
Posted by Scott Morgan on May 9th, 2018

The Commerce Commission is investigating how electricity distributors are dealing with emerging technologies, including electric vehicles.

Its first step has been to publish an open letter to better understand how the industry is planning, investing and accounting for emerging technologies.

"Emerging technologies like battery storage, solar, electric vehicles and home automation systems have the potential to revolutionise the way New Zealanders live and the types of energy we consume. This work is about ensuring our regulation keeps pace with these rapid changes," commission deputy chairwoman Sue Begg says.

The letter also reminds electricity lines companies about how emerging technology costs and revenues should be accounted for in order to comply with their regulatory requirements.

"The main purpose of EV chargers is to charge cars, not transport electricity. Therefore, our starting point is that we do not expect the costs associated with chargers to be included in their regulated asset bases, as they are not a cost of providing regulated services that consumers ultimately pay for through their power bills," Begg says.

"We need to ensure that consumers benefit from advances in technology, while at the same time promoting the development of competitive energy markets. Regulated monopolies should not have an unfair advantage over existing and future competitors in this space."

Lines companies are also reminded about their obligations under Part 2 of the Commerce Act to ensure they do not enter into agreements which will substantially lessen competition, Begg says.

The commission welcomes feedback on its intention to gather further information by May 18 to regulation@comcom.govt.nz.


Translation of the above:

The commerce commission doesn't like Vector offering free EV charging. With the costs added onto everyone's power bills. With a big chunk of those extra costs being paid by low income families.





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  #2015061 13-May-2018 11:32
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If the NZ government is serious about EV's, they need to subsidize them.

They need to lead, preferably, or get out of the way.

If a private company like Vector wants to have free EV charging, then let them.

If Vector's customers don't want to subsidize EV Vector customers, then choose another provider.

The Commerce Commision saying they can't runs contrary to the government stated goal of encouraging EV's

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/09/02/electric-car-incentives-norway-uk-france-germany-netherlands-belgium/

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  #2015065 13-May-2018 12:01
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kingdragonfly: 

If Vector's customers don't want to subsidize EV Vector customers, then choose another provider.

 

Is that even possible?  How do you choose a line company?  I thought they were a virtual monopoly, at least in geographic areas


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