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Linuxluver

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  #1610313 11-Aug-2016 20:59
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Bloomberg says the move to electric cars is now well underway. The only question now is how fast. What year will the move to EVs precipitate the next oil crisis?

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/




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  #1610701 12-Aug-2016 13:52
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Linuxluver: Bloomberg says the move to electric cars is now well underway. The only question now is how fast. What year will the move to EVs precipitate the next oil crisis?

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/

 

The boat owner in me is looking froward to the collapse of gas prices.  Fuel economy in the boat at 55km/hr is 1.5L/km ...cry





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  #1610704 12-Aug-2016 13:58
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MikeAqua:

Linuxluver: Bloomberg says the move to electric cars is now well underway. The only question now is how fast. What year will the move to EVs precipitate the next oil crisis?

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/


The boat owner in me is looking froward to the collapse of gas prices.  Fuel economy in the boat at 55km/hr is 1.5L/km ...cry



Taking the road user tax off petrol would be a good start(for boaties). It would reduce your cost per km by a third. Then just charge every vehicle a road user charge dependant on type /size /fuel type /etc. That way EVs pay their own way, but could be incentivised by really low RUCs.




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  #1613515 18-Aug-2016 07:14
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Dingbatt:
MikeAqua:

 

Linuxluver: Bloomberg says the move to electric cars is now well underway. The only question now is how fast. What year will the move to EVs precipitate the next oil crisis?

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/

 

 

 

The boat owner in me is looking froward to the collapse of gas prices.  Fuel economy in the boat at 55km/hr is 1.5L/km ...cry

 



Taking the road user tax off petrol would be a good start(for boaties). It would reduce your cost per km by a third. Then just charge every vehicle a road user charge dependant on type /size /fuel type /etc. That way EVs pay their own way, but could be incentivised by really low RUCs.

 

They can't exempt boats because then everyone would buy 35 litres of "boat fuel" to drive to work. Cheaters never rest. Just look at all the people driving around on "dealer" plates to avoid paying for car registration....and that doesn't cost much. 





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  #1613517 18-Aug-2016 07:38
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vox.com reports "range anxiety" isn't really a problem for most EV owners.....and that in a couple of years it won't matter anyway.

 

"Relax, your electric car isn’t going to run out of juice"

 

Around Auckland I definitely have no range anxiety. There are now so many fast chargers dotted around the city that on the few occasions I feel I do need a top-up in a day I have no trouble getting one. Though.....usually I'm just fast-charging to top up from 30% to 80% (15mins-20mins) to save time charging.....I'm not actually in any danger of running flat. 





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  #1614015 18-Aug-2016 22:24
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Linuxluver:

 

 

 

They can't exempt boats because then everyone would buy 35 litres of "boat fuel" to drive to work. 

 

 

 

 

There is currently a duty refund scheme for petrol used in heavy vehicles (Such as US import RV's with petrol engines), and Commercial Boats etc.

 

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  #1614038 19-Aug-2016 07:00
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Linuxluver:

Dingbatt:
MikeAqua:


Linuxluver: Bloomberg says the move to electric cars is now well underway. The only question now is how fast. What year will the move to EVs precipitate the next oil crisis?

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/


 


The boat owner in me is looking froward to the collapse of gas prices.  Fuel economy in the boat at 55km/hr is 1.5L/km ...cry




Taking the road user tax off petrol would be a good start(for boaties). It would reduce your cost per km by a third. Then just charge every vehicle a road user charge dependant on type /size /fuel type /etc. That way EVs pay their own way, but could be incentivised by really low RUCs.


They can't exempt boats because then everyone would buy 35 litres of "boat fuel" to drive to work. Cheaters never rest. Just look at all the people driving around on "dealer" plates to avoid paying for car registration....and that doesn't cost much. 



Agree, that's why my point was to abolish the per litre tax on petrol and just charge every vehicle an appropriate RUC. Target the vehicles you want people to drive with low RUCs.




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  #1614056 19-Aug-2016 07:59
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Won't get past the socialist lobbyists, that just prejudices the poor who can't afford your expensive EV and have to drive old junk. The poor pay more. It's not like our public transport is world class either.

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  #1614061 19-Aug-2016 08:12
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MikeAqua:

 

Linuxluver: Bloomberg says the move to electric cars is now well underway. The only question now is how fast. What year will the move to EVs precipitate the next oil crisis?

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/

 

The boat owner in me is looking froward to the collapse of gas prices.  Fuel economy in the boat at 55km/hr is 1.5L/km ...cry

 

 

 

 

I was in Page, Arizona a few weeks ago and was chatting to some guys up from California with their boat. It had twin inboards of some considerable power and they were spending their days hooning about on the lake.

 

Even at US petrol prices it was costing them US$400 per day!






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  #1614106 19-Aug-2016 09:44
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Geektastic:

 

MikeAqua:

 

Linuxluver: Bloomberg says the move to electric cars is now well underway. The only question now is how fast. What year will the move to EVs precipitate the next oil crisis?

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-ev-oil-crisis/

 

The boat owner in me is looking froward to the collapse of gas prices.  Fuel economy in the boat at 55km/hr is 1.5L/km ...cry

 

I was in Page, Arizona a few weeks ago and was chatting to some guys up from California with their boat. It had twin inboards of some considerable power and they were spending their days hooning about on the lake.

 

Even at US petrol prices it was costing them US$400 per day!

 

 

When you think about the physics of it, a small prop, heavy boat, nagging resistance of water compared to  air, its not really a wonder that boats are so much more fuel hungry than cars


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Whoop Whoop, This looks huge,

 

Swapping the anode, and a slight modification to the electrolyte and they double the capacity,

 

"Industry standard is that electric vehicles need to go at least 200 miles on a single charge. We can make the battery half the size and half the weight, and it will travel the same distance, or we can make it the same size and same weight, and now it will go 400 miles on a single charge.”

 

http://news.mit.edu/2016/lithium-metal-batteries-double-power-consumer-electronics-0817

 

 


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  #1616588 24-Aug-2016 07:45
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I see Tesla had just announced a 100 kWh battery. Good for 300mile (500km) range. Now we're talking. Although, I haven't seen how long it will take to charge from a standard all socket.




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  #1616618 24-Aug-2016 08:22
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Dingbatt: I see Tesla had just announced a 100 kWh battery. Good for 300mile (500km) range. Now we're talking. Although, I haven't seen how long it will take to charge from a standard all socket.

 

That's getting there.





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Dingbatt: Although, I haven't seen how long it will take to charge from a standard all socket.

 

long enough to make North America regret ever having chosen 120V for their standard outlets :)

 

( Yes I am aware they do have a 240V feed for static Appliances)

 

 


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  #1616810 24-Aug-2016 12:56
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Isn't the idea to use high speed DC charging systems?

 

If you can make significant inroads into range and recharge time, then you have a workable light-duty passenger vehicle or micro-duty goods vehicle (e.g. florist, pizza, courier).





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