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  Reply # 2020715 22-May-2018 20:48
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https://wattev2buy.com/which-is-the-best-small-ev-in-china-ranking-top-small-electric-cars/

 

"The small electric car segment was the best performing class in the Chinese EV market in 2017, accounting for nearly 50% of all EV sales. The Chinese consumer is spoiled for choice when it comes to selecting which small electric car to buy for city use. In 2017 there were 20 A0 class EVs to select from. Consumers in 2018 are in for a treat as many of these models are to get battery upgrades providing electric ranges up to 320km (200 miles)."

 

Now why can't we get a few small NZ-New EVs for sale in NZ? All we have at the moment is the BMW i3 which isn't exactly an affordable choice for many of us.

 

The fact that 50% of all EV sales in China is from the small electric car segment shows that small EVs (no longer than say 4 metres) would probably take off here as well.

 

Perhaps China should export a few of their small EVs to NZ?

 

 


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  Reply # 2020737 22-May-2018 21:12
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PhantomNVD:

kingdragonfly: The Tesla Model X teamed up with Australian airline Qantas to break the Guinness World Record for electric towing by pulling a 287,000 pound Boeing Dreamliner.


 


not keen to buy that particular one second hand! 



To be fair, I've seen a man pull one by rope - so the fact a car can pull one isn't really all that impressive.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 2020748 22-May-2018 21:33
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Trying to spot the EV in photo - his jaw is an electric motor? Regardless, plenty of renewable solar action going on...


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  Reply # 2020826 23-May-2018 01:49
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paulchinnz:

Best advertising is the increasing number of Leaf EVs on the road. Even my local garage now has one as courtesy car.

well I hope there ain’t going to be to many more leaf owners like I saw yesterday. Z petone charging station, leaf drive shredded the middle of the two car bay charging station blocking anyone else from using it. Admittedly it was also an Uber, with my encounters with Uber drivers I’m hoping it was more an Uber thing then an EV high and mighty thing

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  Reply # 2020854 23-May-2018 06:41
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That guy is pulling an A320 = 42 tons empty weight.

 

A Dreamliner is 110 tons empty.

 

 


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  Reply # 2020857 23-May-2018 07:03
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C17 weighs ~128 tons...


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  Reply # 2020942 23-May-2018 09:00
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frednz:

 

https://wattev2buy.com/which-is-the-best-small-ev-in-china-ranking-top-small-electric-cars/

 

"The small electric car segment was the best performing class in the Chinese EV market in 2017, accounting for nearly 50% of all EV sales. The Chinese consumer is spoiled for choice when it comes to selecting which small electric car to buy for city use. In 2017 there were 20 A0 class EVs to select from. Consumers in 2018 are in for a treat as many of these models are to get battery upgrades providing electric ranges up to 320km (200 miles)."

 

Now why can't we get a few small NZ-New EVs for sale in NZ? All we have at the moment is the BMW i3 which isn't exactly an affordable choice for many of us.

 

The fact that 50% of all EV sales in China is from the small electric car segment shows that small EVs (no longer than say 4 metres) would probably take off here as well.

 

Perhaps China should export a few of their small EVs to NZ?

 

 

 

 

How many yuan are they, say a 4 door small to midsize 40kW or 60kW?


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  Reply # 2020945 23-May-2018 09:20
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Some pretty cool videos and pictures on this Red Bull web page.

I liked the Isle of Man electric motorcycle helmet video.

"5 electric race series that will shape our future"

https://www.redbull.com/nz-en/5-electric-racing-sseries

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  Reply # 2020952 23-May-2018 09:33
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kingdragonfly: Some pretty cool videos and pictures on this Red Bull web page.

I liked the Isle of Man electric motorcycle helmet video.

"5 electric race series that will shape our future"

https://www.redbull.com/nz-en/5-electric-racing-sseries

 

 

 

electric motorcycle helmet?  Wow, what will they think of next!!  :-)


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  Reply # 2020959 23-May-2018 09:42
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Korea Post Considering Single-Seater Electric Cars

"Korea Post is toying with the idea of replacing motorcycles with one-person electric cars as part of efforts to tackle the prevalent issue of ‘overwork death’ among postal workers."

http://koreabizwire.com/korea-post-considering-single-seater-electric-cars/103125


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  Reply # 2021038 23-May-2018 11:32
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tdgeek:

 

Petrol at 2-30  a litre, expected to go higher. This is when the Govt needs to fund EV advertising. Not to sell 20,000 cars next week, but to plant the seed, so people keep up with the play. Bring demand forward. I know new cars are expensive and not many models, but if a growing sentiment is created, that could open doors to Govt assisted import ideas.

 

 

Agree 100%.Perhaps someone else could have a go at this approach as I am struggling to remember when if ever the Government did any thing seriously promoting evs .The Drive Electric bosses should be thinking about things like this I hope.

 

Did any one watch the story on seven sharp last night about "lecky cars" I thought this will be interesting ,some number crunching was going to be done by the owner of a leaf.What a waste of time, the reporter was not interested in any of that serious information.Guess that's all you can expect from that type of show.


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  Reply # 2021118 23-May-2018 13:00
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Dinga96:...... Did any one watch the story on seven sharp last night about "lecky cars" I thought this will be interesting ,some number crunching was going to be done by the owner of a leaf.What a waste of time, the reporter was not interested in any of that serious information.Guess that's all you can expect from that type of show.

 

Now consider that this is the same level of accuracy and care they put into all their stories and ask yourself if anyone should be watching that show at all.

 

I just crunched some number of my own for one of my colleagues who was similarly disappointed by Seven Sharp and asking about my car. I've been tracking kw's charged into my car for the last 1800kms and comparing to my petrol car:

 

EV is averaging $3.50 power per 100kms (as measured by odometer and a plug in power meter). Petrol car averages 9.45L per 100 kms. Over 1800km, EV used $63 and petrol would have used $374 @ $2.20/L - that's a saving of $311.

 

Edit: realised I did the math wrong - petrol car amended from 10.6L/100km to 9.45L/100km.


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  Reply # 2021152 23-May-2018 13:54
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tripper1000:

 

EV is averaging $3.50 power per 100kms (as measured by odometer and a plug in power meter). Petrol car averages 9.45L per 100 kms. Over 1800km, EV used $63 and petrol would have used $374 @ $2.20/L - that's a saving of $311.

 

 

Your Petrol "mpg" rate sounds a bit high for an EV comparable "small car"- but no matter

 

So from the back of my envelope

 

$311/1800km means for  15000km/year  (300km/week) you would save ~2500/year,

 

What's a price premium for an 2nd hand EV 10K?,  at 5% on the mortgage that's $500 per year, so net you have a payback of ~2K a year,

 

So its a 5 year payback ( maybe less if oil price rise)  - not bad, but probably not really enough to get huge numbers of people to jump to EVs,  (and if they did the price of imported 2nd hand EVs would likely get pushed up) 


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  Reply # 2021165 23-May-2018 14:31
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My 2.5L petrol car sits on 8.3L/100km fuel consumption for mixed use and we don't deliberately drive in an economical manner.

 

Open road driving is usually below 7L/100km if there are two of us.  

 

There is an article on stuff at the moment documenting a trip from Auckland to Welly driving an i3S without nursing it.  Long story short 12 hours for a ~647km trip.  Google estimates that trip at 8 hours. That's a 50% increase in elapsed time and an average progress rate (across the entire 12 hours) of 53km/hour.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/104073210/Can-you-drive-an-EV-from-Auckland-to-Wellington-in-one-day-stress-free





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