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Topic # 202043 14-Sep-2016 21:47
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Recently, I was a passenger in a car that was being driven by a careful driver along a narrow winding hill road. The speed limit for this road was 100kmh, but there were several corners where signs suggested you should slow down to 60kmh or 70kmh.

 

So, we were travelling around these corners at the recommended speeds and then speeding up to about 90kmh on the fairly few straight bits. About three cars were driving behind us, one of which turned out to be a traffic officer who later pulled us over and said we should have been travelling at 100kmh as we were holding up traffic which wanted to drive at the full 100kmh.

 

I can hear you saying “about time, let’s give these slower drivers the message”! Now, I would be the first to agree if we had been on a long “wide” straight road, because I like to drive at 100kmh when possible. But, when you are driving on a single-lane narrow winding hilly road with lots of corners, I’m not sure whether people should be “instructed” to drive at the full 100kmh if they don’t feel safe doing so. At one point we were driving behind a large truck that was going about 80kmh and we passed it when it was safe to do so. Incidentally, there were no places on this road where we could have safely pulled over to let faster cars past.

 

So, do you think there should be a “slow” speed limit of say 85kmh for a 100mh speed zone so that people know they need to travel no slower than this? In other words, how slow is too slow?

 

Overall, I was pleased that the driver of our car didn’t exceed 90kmh on this particular road because I doubt whether I would have felt as safe if the car had been going at 100kmh. I would be interested to hear your views on this.

 

Thanks

 

Fred


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  Reply # 1630534 14-Sep-2016 21:54
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I'm surprised you got pulled over in this case.

 

To me a good rule of thumb would be - if you are travelling below the speed limit and you have a line of cars behind you or one for a while and there is clear road in front of you , then pull over and let them pass.

 

And apply some common sense, if you are taking corners  or go up hills slower than normal but still travel at the speed limit on straights then still pull over when safe to do so.

 

There is nothing worse when people are slow round corners but speed up on the straights.


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  Reply # 1630537 14-Sep-2016 22:01
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Obviously the officer felt it was safe to do the speed limit, or that the driver had opportunity to pull over and didn't do it. Good police work.

 

If the driver feels unsafe at the open road speed limit, maybe it's time to stick to local roads.


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  Reply # 1630539 14-Sep-2016 22:14
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blakamin: If the driver feels unsafe at the open road speed limit, maybe it's time to stick to local roads.

It's a limit, not a target.

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  Reply # 1630544 14-Sep-2016 22:22
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blakamin:

 

Obviously the officer felt it was safe to do the speed limit, or that the driver had opportunity to pull over and didn't do it. Good police work.

 

If the driver feels unsafe at the open road speed limit, maybe it's time to stick to local roads.

 

 

 

 

Hmmm.

 

1) The police office is trained to a higher driving standard, so whilst he may feel safe (and knows he can't get nicked!) others may not

 

2) Yes if there was a genuine and safe place that should be the case

 

3) The Rimutaka Hill road is technically 100 but few would be brave and/or insane enough to keep up 100 over the length of that road (for example)

 

4) As to the original question, of course a driver must have some leeway to determine what he thinks is safe (sometimes he can see things that those further back in the queue cannot, for example) but generally 90 in a 100 zone is not that unreasonable IMV unless the road is flat and safe with good visibility. There is a curious tendency to insist on driving at 100 as if some awful thing will happen if you only do 95!






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  Reply # 1630553 14-Sep-2016 22:28
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gzt:
blakamin: If the driver feels unsafe at the open road speed limit, maybe it's time to stick to local roads.

It's a limit, not a target.

 

 

 

Merge like a zip

 

Wear all the gear all the time

 

...and other marketing on the road signs.

 

 

 

 

 

Pulling over for faster traffic, or speeding up to keep people from becoming agitated - even not tail gating to 'attempt' to get others to increase their speed.

 

 

 

They're all judgement calls.

 

 

 

In this case, the police officer believed that the driver hadn't exercised good judgement.

 

Fair enough.

 

 

 

Basically, driving is like a lot of things in life. Don't be a dick.


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  Reply # 1630560 14-Sep-2016 22:48
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if you have cars banking up behind you on the open road , then you are travelling to slow. i cant remember the last time i had cars behind me on the open road.





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  Reply # 1630562 14-Sep-2016 22:55
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Without being present it's very hard to make a judgment call.

 

In my experience you can easily add 10 and in some cases up to 20 kph to those recommended figures without too much effort and still manage a comfortable ride. Based on this I would consider a driver that was sticking to those speeds religiously is probably holding the traffic up. I use the signs as a heads up but drive to what I see.

 

Remember they are advisory speeds.

 

 





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  Reply # 1630564 14-Sep-2016 22:56
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ben28:

To me a good rule of thumb would be - if you are travelling below the speed limit and you have a line of cars behnd you or one for a while and there is clear road in front of you , then pull over and let them pass.



It's not just a good idea, it's a requirement in the Road Code. If there is a line of cars behind, you *must* pull over.

To hold a driver's license you must be capable of driving to a reasonable standard. If a driver doesn't have sufficient vehicle handling skills or is too cautious to be able to keep up with a normal speed on tricky roads then perhaps they shouldn't be driving. That might sound harsh but isn't that the point of having a driving test?

Of course it's hard to know if this was the case this time since none of us were there. :-)

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  Reply # 1630567 14-Sep-2016 23:02
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chopsuwe:
ben28:

 

To me a good rule of thumb would be - if you are travelling below the speed limit and you have a line of cars behnd you or one for a while and there is clear road in front of you , then pull over and let them pass.

 



If there is a line of cars behind, you *must* pull over.

 

 

 

This is the key, and this is what drivers in NZ fail to do.  Equally if there is a line of cars and a passing lane comes up it is appropriate to slow down more than the speed you are driving to allow them to pass, again a concept Kiwis fail to grasp


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  Reply # 1630568 14-Sep-2016 23:19
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https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-limits/speed-limits/

 

Extract from road code:

 

Slow drivers

 

If you are travelling slower than the speed limit and there are vehicles following you, you must:

 

  • keep as close to the left side of the road as possible
  • pull over as soon as it is safe to let following vehicles pass.

Don’t speed up on straight stretches of road to prevent following vehicles from passing you.


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  Reply # 1630569 14-Sep-2016 23:21
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gzt: It's a limit, not a target.

 

Wrong.. It's the absolute minimum you should be doing if you are in front of me.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1630575 14-Sep-2016 23:41
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In my experience it is quite unusual for slow drivers to pull over to the side. And, while I've seen cops pull over speeding drivers, I've never seen them pull over a slow driver. 

 

I find truck drivers are fairly courteous at pulling over, and campervans the worst. 

 

A major issue is our roads.... some state highways have very heavy traffic, very few passing lanes, and should really only have an 80kph limit. 

 

The rare occasion when I am pulling a trailer, I do pull over to let cars pass, doesn't impact driving time much at all.... but , I do think that the drivers I am letting past would probably never reciprocate the favour.   

 

 


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  Reply # 1630576 14-Sep-2016 23:44
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Lias:

 

gzt: It's a limit, not a target.

 

Wrong.. It's the absolute minimum you should be doing if you are in front of me.

 

 

A few years back my wife and I arrived in New Zealand for a month's visit.
We'd decided to emigrate (well - return for me), and had come over for a reconnaissance trip, leaving the kids in Canada.

Unfortunately there was a stuff up, our flight was late, the airline had lost my baggage (driver's licenses inside) and the rental agency didn't have the car we'd ordered.
So we tootled off in a tiny, standard shift car (we'd ordered a large automatic) with wife driving, doing her best driving a RHD in Auckland traffic, 'cause they wouldn't put me on as an authorised driver.

We got to Rotorua, dropped off documents to the Lawyer and headed for our hotel in Taupo. It was getting dark and then began absolutely pouring with rain.
My wife wears glasses for driving, with that, the car's dim yellowish headlights and the wipers not very effective she just couldn't see well enough to safely do more than 80-90km/h.

 

I knew the road a bit from years earlier, and did the rally driver navigator thing from the passenger's seat.
Pointing out where she could drive a bit faster, and any time we had a couple of cars behind us, where she could pull over to let them past.

Finally ended up with a car right on our tail. It's headlights reflecting so brightly into our car from the side mirrors that she couldn't see.
I decided to take over, but had to lean over and grab the wheel to help her pull over safely, with the blinding light she just couldn't see the side of the road.

Mr bright lights pulled up right behind us, and I hopped out, half expecting it to be some road rage nutter, but it was a cop.
He told me to get back in the car - went and stuck his head in the driver's window to give her a lecture on slow driving. In fact he stuck his head in far enough I think he was sniffing for drugs or alcohol.
He only gave up when I handed the rental agreement to him to prove we'd just picked the car up.

 

I took the risk, drove the car without wrecking it (and will never leave my license in checked baggage again).
And now I think back to that Hell-trip and I'm a bit more compassionate when I'm behind someone driving a bit slower in the dark or rain.


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  Reply # 1630581 15-Sep-2016 00:48
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gzt:
blakamin: If the driver feels unsafe at the open road speed limit, maybe it's time to stick to local roads.

It's a limit, not a target.

 

drive social

 

can you tell me why people shouldn't be targeting to drive at 100kph if the conditions permit? it would make the driving experience a lot nicer for all involved


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  Reply # 1630582 15-Sep-2016 00:52
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i work on 10% as the limits above and below that you should be going, and thats speed shown on the speedo.

 

I think thats pretty reasonable, but if you are still holding people up then pull over


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