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  # 1631248 15-Sep-2016 19:34
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MikeB4:

 

 

 

We got behind truck going up the gorge last Saturday it was down to 15kmh, took a while before we got a break to change lanes to get past.

 

 

 

 

And I bet it was in the middle lane too.





 

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  # 1631293 15-Sep-2016 20:22
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MikeAqua:

gzt:
Many of these roads can be cheaply improved by adding one or two very short sealed left hand pull-over bays for slow traffic to pull into and marked for that purpose.

 

 

Trucks, cars towing trailers (except horse floats) and larger campervans generally use them

 

People mover type campervans  50/50.

 

Slow cars almost never.

 

I have not seen many if any of these. But it is the kind of thing only noticed when missing so maybe there are a few somewhere. Less than a passing lane, but a marked sealed area set aside for that purpose and easily identifiable.

 

 

In the OP case, the officer appears not to have mentioned failure to pull over to allow the tail to pass. Just slow speed. It seems safe to assume the officer and driver were in (virtual) agreement that there were no safe places to move left.

 

 

It appears this particular road would benefit from some short sealed bays for that purpose.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1631300 15-Sep-2016 20:29
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They exist: )



..and there is an official tool to evaluate the viability of an installation:

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/slow-vehicle-bays/




Edit: I think ive seen these more like a lane than a bay.

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  # 1631311 15-Sep-2016 20:46
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MikeB4:

 

It is not speed, it is consideration for other drivers and consideration for the conditions. A slow driver is not necessarily bad but a slow inconsiderate driver is bad. In some scenarios the slow driver is the considerate one and the

 

fast driver is having no regard for other road users. Drive to the conditions, drive within the drivers and vehicles ability and have consideration for all other road users, it is not hard.

 

 

I'm quoting this because I think it is the most important point in the entire thread. 

 

Consideration for other drivers.

 

Just because you want to go slow, fast, tow a horse float, drive a camper or ride a bike it doesn't mean everyone else should too. They might not be as good or bad at driving as you. Just indicate your intentions (remember those funny orange blinky lights?) and let them go. 


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  # 1631323 15-Sep-2016 21:04
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TinyTim:

MikeB4:


 


We got behind truck going up the gorge last Saturday it was down to 15kmh, took a while before we got a break to change lanes to get past.



 


And I bet it was in the middle lane too.



As you go up the Gorge there is an overhead sign designating left lane as Newlands exit, next lane Johnsonville exit and 2 righthand lanes as State Highway 1 so of course you'll get trucks in the "middle".

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  # 1631333 15-Sep-2016 21:20
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TinyTim:

 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We got behind truck going up the gorge last Saturday it was down to 15kmh, took a while before we got a break to change lanes to get past.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I bet it was in the middle lane too.

 



As you go up the Gorge there is an overhead sign designating left lane as Newlands exit, next lane Johnsonville exit and 2 righthand lanes as State Highway 1 so of course you'll get trucks in the "middle".

 

 

 

A few years back I drove a Unimog down the Ngauranga Gorge damn scary. It's  sooooooooooo steep.





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  # 1631349 15-Sep-2016 21:38
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TinyTim:

 

MikeB4:

 

 

 

We got behind truck going up the gorge last Saturday it was down to 15kmh, took a while before we got a break to change lanes to get past.

 

 

 

 

And I bet it was in the middle lane too.

 

 

 

 

After mikeB4 said he had an issue changing lane, you expect a truck, that's come from the city, to try and get in the left lane, where Hutt traffic is coming from, and then try and get back in a non-turning lane, before it gets to J'ville? Good luck with that!

 

In fact, any truck driving instructor in Wellington will tell a truck driver to stay in the lane they're in up the gorge, because changing lanes, with the difference of speed and blindspots, is way more dangerous. Same with going down... Get in the lane you need to be in ASAP, because that's the last chance you'll have.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1631350 15-Sep-2016 21:43
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As far as I was concerned the truck was doing fine and doing the right thing. It was my responsibility go past if and when I could safely and without making his job harder.





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  # 1631597 16-Sep-2016 10:42
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frednz:

 

I fully agree with your comment about the 100kmh limit for the Rimutaka Hill road. I think this road should have a speed limit of 80kmh so that it reflects the realities of how dangerous it would be to drive at 100kmh over the full length of that particular road. I can think of other examples where a speed limit that's too high is just asking for trouble!

 

 

A 100 limit does not imply that every section of the road can be safely driven at 100, drivers have to use their judgement (such as it is) on cornering speeds. 

 

On the Rimutaka there are plenty of sections where it is safe to drive up to 100 in between corners.  It's not a challenging road (unless wet/gritty).

 

 

 

 

 

 





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I fully agree with your comment about the 100kmh limit for the Rimutaka Hill road. I think this road should have a speed limit of 80kmh so that it reflects the realities of how dangerous it would be to drive at 100kmh over the full length of that particular road. I can think of other examples where a speed limit that's too high is just asking for trouble! Remember that not all of us have been trained to drive racing cars down steep hills like the Rimutakas!

 

So, if people are now going to be pulled over for driving too slow, then the speed limits have to be sensible and not make safe drivers feel guilty for not driving like maniacs!

 

 

I think the 100 kph limit on the Rimutaka road is quite appropriate. There are plenty of places where 100 kph is quite acceptable. The speed limit does not imply that it's acceptable to drive at 100 kph for the whole distance.  

 

Common sense applies. Drive to the conditions. 

 

If you don't feel comfortable travelling at 100 kph by all means don't drive at that speed. Drive at a speed you feel safe with, BUT don't impede other drivers progress based on your own perceptions or limitations. Let them get on their way.





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  # 1631691 16-Sep-2016 12:25
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A couple of things

1. Used to have a Subaru Impreza 2000, Toyota rav4 1996.
Both cars at 80ks is the maximum that you feel safe in, any faster the car feels like it wants to kill you.
Ford falcon > Holden Commodore - drive whatever speed you want in a straight line, you don't even feel like you're moving. Corner depends on how tight, as these things are very heavy and start to display tank properties.
Xtrail 2012 - in a straight line you feel slow compared to toyota eatima van. Doesn't do corners however.
Subaru legacy 2012, straight line same as xtrail, corners so planted you can almost do it at any speed.

So every car is different. I presume a late model euro would be best.

 

Now presumably the cop car was a Holden Commodore ...

2. Since we're on this topic, can anyone recommend a free ios Speedo app that's accurate? Want to know what the actual error is on my Speedo





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  # 1631692 16-Sep-2016 12:26
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When my dashboard was crashing because of a dodgey connection I was using waze on my phone, it has a speedo in the corner of it.





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I wonder if we'll get more of this as electric vehicles become more prevalent (no offence LinuxLover)

 

I was driving up the Northen Motorway on Tuesday, perfect conditions, moderate traffic and there in the middle lane is a Nissan Leaf cruising along at about 75kph, seemingly oblivious to the empty road in front and large queue behind.  Presumably watching the dots on his power meter or something?

 

Although this was an isolated case, I can envisage much more slow driving as the trade-off between range and speed becomes so important for more drivers




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Technofreak:

 

frednz:

 

 

 

I fully agree with your comment about the 100kmh limit for the Rimutaka Hill road. I think this road should have a speed limit of 80kmh so that it reflects the realities of how dangerous it would be to drive at 100kmh over the full length of that particular road. I can think of other examples where a speed limit that's too high is just asking for trouble! Remember that not all of us have been trained to drive racing cars down steep hills like the Rimutakas!

 

So, if people are now going to be pulled over for driving too slow, then the speed limits have to be sensible and not make safe drivers feel guilty for not driving like maniacs!

 

 

I think the 100 kph limit on the Rimutaka road is quite appropriate. There are plenty of places where 100 kph is quite acceptable. The speed limit does not imply that it's acceptable to drive at 100 kph for the whole distance.  

 

Common sense applies. Drive to the conditions. 

 

If you don't feel comfortable travelling at 100 kph by all means don't drive at that speed. Drive at a speed you feel safe with, BUT don't impede other drivers progress based on your own perceptions or limitations. Let them get on their way.

 

 

If I was driving on my own, I might try driving at 100 kmh on the Rimutaka Hill Road using the old "accelerator-break" technique. But you have to consider what might happen when two cars going 100 kmh in opposite directions meet when going around a tight corner. You only need one of the two cars to be slightly over the middle line for disaster to happen, because at that speed it's harder to correct the situation.

 

And if you've got 3 other people in your car, see what they think of being thrown around as you whizz around corners at 100 kmh (or near to it). Our friendly traffic officer, however, did suggest to our driver that when the limit is 100 kmh, that's the speed you should drive at, even when going downhill on a windy road. Come on, spare a thought for the comfort and safety of passengers in your car!

 

But at least on the Rimutaka Hill Road there are quite a few passing lanes and spaces to pull over, and when I have a 100 kmh racing car driver behind me I gladly get out of his (or her) way! Some motor cyclists really enjoy going at 100 kmh on this road, but we have seen a couple of these cyclists who came to grief, so even they have to be very careful!

 

It's also worth mentioning that on the Rimutaka Hill Road there are lots of corners which have quite low recommended speeds for them, some as low as 40kmh, so try going 100kmh around those (no on second thoughts don't try that)!

 

 


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gzt:
MikeAqua:

 

gzt:
Many of these roads can be cheaply improved by adding one or two very short sealed left hand pull-over bays for slow traffic to pull into and marked for that purpose.

 

 

Trucks, cars towing trailers (except horse floats) and larger campervans generally use them

 

People mover type campervans  50/50.

 

Slow cars almost never.

 

I have not seen many if any of these. But it is the kind of thing only noticed when missing so maybe there are a few somewhere. Less than a passing lane, but a marked sealed area set aside for that purpose and easily identifiable. In the OP case, the officer appears not to have mentioned failure to pull over to allow the tail to pass. Just slow speed. It seems safe to assume the officer and driver were in (virtual) agreement that there were no safe places to move left. It appears this particular road would benefit from some short sealed bays for that purpose.

 

Slow vehicle bays are common around Auckland and Northland. 

 

- Going up the Bombay Hill on SH1 - either side. 

 

- Going up the Bryndyrwyn Hill north of Kaiwaka - either side (SH1).

 

- Going to / from Piha on Scenic Drive and Piha Rd.

 

- Going through the Karangahake Gorge between Paeroa and Waihi, eastbound and westbound (different places, depending on which side).  

I use them all the time to let the tailgating hoons reach their grave sites faster. Wouldn't want to slow them down.  They get nosebleeds if they ever go below the speed limit on a winding road in the wet when it's dark.

 

 





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