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  Reply # 1700699 10-Jan-2017 00:26
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The odd thing is that in the USA, they have also had a big hike in the number of road deaths. So it isn't just NZ that has the recent problem. I wonder if the technology isn't causing problems. Whether that be the distraction from mobile devices, or even the technology in the cars.




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  Reply # 1700712 10-Jan-2017 08:04
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MikeB4: 

Have you not seen the large sign warning of accident Zones?

 

Can't recall any.  Good to see they have some around.  I think it was better when the Police concentrated the enforcement of speed limits in these areas.  

 

 

 

 

Drive North of Auckland and you will come across 2-3 of these Accident zone. The signs are 1.5M by about 2.5M Quite large. One would say a focused driver would easily notice such signs.

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1700925 10-Jan-2017 14:38
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The odd thing is that in the USA, they have also had a big hike in the number of road deaths. So it isn't just NZ that has the recent problem. I wonder if the technology isn't causing problems. Whether that be the distraction from mobile devices, or even the technology in the cars.

 

 

 

 

More likely low oil prices and the effect of that on driver behaviour, more inclined to drive faster, more inclined to drive greater distance annually, as well as a "confidence/risk-taking" attitude when the economy is doing well.

 

There was a huge drop in road fatalities in the US in 2008/9 (about 20%). That's not continued and reversed some years, a 10% rise in 2015 correlates with cheap oil.

 

Similar factors probably apply here.


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  Reply # 1700945 10-Jan-2017 15:09
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mattwnz:

 

The odd thing is that in the USA, they have also had a big hike in the number of road deaths. So it isn't just NZ that has the recent problem. I wonder if the technology isn't causing problems. Whether that be the distraction from mobile devices, or even the technology in the cars.

 

 

 

 

More likely low oil prices and the effect of that on driver behaviour, more inclined to drive faster, more inclined to drive greater distance annually, as well as a "confidence/risk-taking" attitude when the economy is doing well.

 

There was a huge drop in road fatalities in the US in 2008/9 (about 20%). That's not continued and reversed some years, a 10% rise in 2015 correlates with cheap oil.

 

Similar factors probably apply here.

 

 

 

 

That is an interesting point. I wonder if high fuel prices do mean that people drive more conservatively, to save fuel, which means a lower road toll. Probably no statistcis in NZ on this, as we don't even have essential stats on the percentage of houses purchased by overseas buyers/investors. Although fuel prices in the US are about a quarter of what they are in NZ. But in NZ prices have dropped back in the last few years, so there maybe a connection to why NZ stats have gotten worse. That mixed with a higher population, and more cars/people on the roads. I mean there must be more cars on NZ roads now, than we have ever had in the past.


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  Reply # 1700951 10-Jan-2017 15:15
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Does this mean increased use of electric cars will make the road toll worse?

 

 





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  Reply # 1700992 10-Jan-2017 15:57
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You can please yourself in your own backyard or your own island if you are so funded but when you live in a society and in this thread drive on public roads you obey the rules. If you feel the rules are wrong you lobby the law makers for change.

 

*sigh* Legally, you can't please yourself in your own backyard... laws apply there too.

 

*sigh* *sigh* How did you get appointed as the rulemaker here "... and in this thread drive on public roads you obey the rules"?

 

*sigh* *sigh* *sigh* No-one drives a car without breaking a law. It simply isn't possible. When did you last ensure that your car was up to WoF standard?

 

 

 

 


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  Reply # 1700994 10-Jan-2017 15:58
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Does this mean increased use of electric cars will make the road toll worse?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The technology will have built in collision protection and lane guidance etc, making cars almost self driving,  which should prevent a lot of crashes. Already many new cars have a lot of this already built in, and it isn't usually these new cars that are involved in crashes.


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I commented to the missus only yesterday that having been stopped and breathalyzed several times driving around West Auckland last festive season, I hadn't seen a single checkpoint in my area the whole time I was off this year.

 

Don't know whether that represents fluke or a genuine lack of resource or cut back from 2015/16?

 

Judging by reports that it took one of our neighbors 7 attempts to get his car into his driveway on New Year, we could do with more, not fewer spot checks...





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That is an interesting point. I wonder if high fuel prices do mean that people drive more conservatively, to save fuel, which means a lower road toll. Probably no statistcis in NZ on this, as we don't even have essential stats on the percentage of houses purchased by overseas buyers/investors. Although fuel prices in the US are about a quarter of what they are in NZ. But in NZ prices have dropped back in the last few years, so there maybe a connection to why NZ stats have gotten worse. That mixed with a higher population, and more cars/people on the roads. I mean there must be more cars on NZ roads now, than we have ever had in the past.

 

 

I don't believe that it's a change in *how* people drive, but how *much* people drive, and *where* they drive. That's why there's more accidents during the holiday period and long weekends. And I think that there's more accidents in 2016 than 2015 is because fuel is cheaper, so more people can afford to drive somewhere, so they do.

 

NZ does keep stats on accidents and fatalities per km driven (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate), but for some reason they make them hard to get at, and instead choose to focus on the simplistic (and relatively meaningless) fatalities/year.

 

Comparing stats with other countries is fraught with risk; as well as price of fuel, things like availability of public transport and how far apart schools are can be significant.

 

 


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  Reply # 1701017 10-Jan-2017 16:29
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*sigh* *sigh* *sigh* No-one drives a car without breaking a law. It simply isn't possible. When did you last ensure that your car was up to WoF standard?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My late father was a motor engineer and taught me a great deal. One of the important lessons he passed on was that looking after tools and equipment and cars are included prolongs their life and for cars prolongs your life. He taught me to do a walk around every time before you go out and

 

to do a thorough check once a week. I still do this and the bits my lack of mobility prevents my lovely wife does for me. 

 

We buy our motor vehicles brand new and currently they are 8 months, 1 year and 2 years old, they are serviced to schedule and sold prior the expiry of the new car warranty. The 2 year old is coming up to it's first warrant check and I have never failed a warrant of fitness check in my life.





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frankv:

 

*sigh* *sigh* *sigh* No-one drives a car without breaking a law. It simply isn't possible. When did you last ensure that your car was up to WoF standard?

 

 

 

 

My late father was a motor engineer and taught me a great deal. One of the important lessons he passed on was that looking after tools and equipment and cars are included prolongs their life and for cars prolongs your life. He taught me to do a walk around every time before you go out and

 

to do a thorough check once a week. I still do this and the bits my lack of mobility prevents my lovely wife does for me. 

 

We buy our motor vehicles brand new and currently they are 8 months, 1 year and 2 years old, they are serviced to schedule and sold prior the expiry of the new car warranty. The 2 year old is coming up to it's first warrant check and I have never failed a warrant of fitness check in my life.

 

 

Neither brand new vehicles nor regularly serviced vehicles nor warrantied cars are exempted from this law, so the last paragraph is irrelevant.

 

The law requires you to ensure that your car is up to WoF standard before you drive, *not* once a week. And, since neither you nor (I assume) your charming wife nor I is a mechanic, we aren't qualified to check our wheel bearings and whatnot so we can't ensure our cars are up to WoF standard ourselves. Your late father I assume could have done it, but I'll bet you that he didn't do it every time before he drove either.

 

 


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  Reply # 1701057 10-Jan-2017 17:22
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That is an interesting point. I wonder if high fuel prices do mean that people drive more conservatively, to save fuel, which means a lower road toll. 

 

 

 

 

I think it would be more likely that it's less out-of-town trips over driving more conservatively. 

 

ie: can't afford to go places out of town. Most fatalities aren't commuters or just nipping to the shops, they're open road trips.

 

 

 

And is it the cost of fuel, or the cost of living in general? The GFC of 2008 would've meant lots of people had less money to travel for the next year or two. And maybe less money for drugs and alcohol to take while driving....


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MikeB4:

 

frankv:

 

*sigh* *sigh* *sigh* No-one drives a car without breaking a law. It simply isn't possible. When did you last ensure that your car was up to WoF standard?

 

 

 

 

My late father was a motor engineer and taught me a great deal. One of the important lessons he passed on was that looking after tools and equipment and cars are included prolongs their life and for cars prolongs your life. He taught me to do a walk around every time before you go out and

 

to do a thorough check once a week. I still do this and the bits my lack of mobility prevents my lovely wife does for me. 

 

We buy our motor vehicles brand new and currently they are 8 months, 1 year and 2 years old, they are serviced to schedule and sold prior the expiry of the new car warranty. The 2 year old is coming up to it's first warrant check and I have never failed a warrant of fitness check in my life.

 

 

Neither brand new vehicles nor regularly serviced vehicles nor warrantied cars are exempted from this law, so the last paragraph is irrelevant.

 

The law requires you to ensure that your car is up to WoF standard before you drive, *not* once a week. And, since neither you nor (I assume) your charming wife nor I is a mechanic, we aren't qualified to check our wheel bearings and whatnot so we can't ensure our cars are up to WoF standard ourselves. Your late father I assume could have done it, but I'll bet you that he didn't do it every time before he drove either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am going to leave it here as I think you are just being.... well you know. I am not playing today. 





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debo:

 

MikeB4: 

Have you not seen the large sign warning of accident Zones?

 

Can't recall any.  Good to see they have some around.  I think it was better when the Police concentrated the enforcement of speed limits in these areas.  

 

 

Drive North of Auckland and you will come across 2-3 of these Accident zone. The signs are 1.5M by about 2.5M Quite large. One would say a focused driver would easily notice such signs.

 

 

As long as what they're focussed on isn't the important things like driving conditions, such as the road and other vehicles and actual hazards, and instead signage hinting to him to do just that. I pretty much ignore advisory signs like these - IMO they add nothing to safety.





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TimA:

 

debo:

 

MikeB4: 

Have you not seen the large sign warning of accident Zones?

 

Can't recall any.  Good to see they have some around.  I think it was better when the Police concentrated the enforcement of speed limits in these areas.  

 

 

Drive North of Auckland and you will come across 2-3 of these Accident zone. The signs are 1.5M by about 2.5M Quite large. One would say a focused driver would easily notice such signs.

 

 

As long as what they're focussed on isn't the important things like driving conditions, such as the road and other vehicles and actual hazards, and instead signage hinting to him to do just that. I pretty much ignore advisory signs like these - IMO they add nothing to safety.

 

 

 

 

Maybe i am extremely observative compared to the rest. 
But that begs the question, If your paying attention to the above. How do you know what speed zone your in? If you cant see a massive reflective sign how do you see a small little round one?
You mean 'is'? "focussed on isn't the important things"


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