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  Reply # 1701492 11-Jan-2017 16:35
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TimA:

 

 

 

A wheel bearing will audibly fail...

 

Not always. Excessive play in a bearing is also a reason for failure but you need to take the load off to detect it. There are many things that can cause a vehicle to fall short of the prescribed standards. Ever had a crack in the windscreen occur while driving? That's an instant "not up to WoF standard" that you could reasonably be expected to be aware of so I hope you immediately stopped driving and had the vehicle transported home.

 

But there is an "out" for things as pedantic as that. In order to be held accountable for operating a vehicle not being up to WoF standard, provided you don't just pay the infringement offence fee that an overzealous enforcement officer might issue, it needs to shown that you could reasonably be expected to know about the defect.





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  Reply # 1701497 11-Jan-2017 16:48
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cadman:

 

TimA:

 

 

 

A wheel bearing will audibly fail...

 

Not always. Excessive play in a bearing is also a reason for failure but you need to take the load off to detect it. There are many things that can cause a vehicle to fall short of the prescribed standards. Ever had a crack in the windscreen occur while driving? That's an instant "not up to WoF standard" that you could reasonably be expected to be aware of so I hope you immediately stopped driving and had the vehicle transported home.

 

But there is an "out" for things as pedantic as that. In order to be held accountable for operating a vehicle not being up to WoF standard, provided you don't just pay the infringement offence fee that an overzealous enforcement officer might issue, it needs to shown that you could reasonably be expected to know about the defect.

 

 

 

 

Jacking up one wheel at a time and ensuring all others have ground contact, grab the tyre at the top and bottom and attempt to "wriggle" the wheel. This will indicate bearing wear. The spin the wheel and listen carefully fore any noises from the hub. If you are doing the front wheels you might as well check for steering defects.

 

Bearings should always be checked if the vehicle has been submerged in water above the hubs or been left standing (not on blocks) for an extended period of time.

 

But of course I don't know any of this.





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  Reply # 1701503 11-Jan-2017 17:00
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MikeB4:Jacking up one wheel at a time and ensuring all others have ground contact, grab the tyre at the top and bottom and attempt to "wriggle" the wheel. This will indicate bearing wear. The spin the wheel and listen carefully fore any noises from the hub. If you are doing the front wheels you might as well check for steering defects.

 

Bearings should always be checked if the vehicle has been submerged in water above the hubs or been left standing (not on blocks) for an extended period of time.

 

But of course I don't know any of this.

 

 

I don't think anyone was claiming you didn't know anything. 

 

And in any case...

 

cadman: Excessive play in a bearing is also a reason for failure but you need to take the load off to detect it.

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1701505 11-Jan-2017 17:03
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cadman:

 

MikeB4:Jacking up one wheel at a time and ensuring all others have ground contact, grab the tyre at the top and bottom and attempt to "wriggle" the wheel. This will indicate bearing wear. The spin the wheel and listen carefully fore any noises from the hub. If you are doing the front wheels you might as well check for steering defects.

 

Bearings should always be checked if the vehicle has been submerged in water above the hubs or been left standing (not on blocks) for an extended period of time.

 

But of course I don't know any of this.

 

 

I don't think anyone was claiming you didn't know anything. 

 

And in any case...

 

cadman: Excessive play in a bearing is also a reason for failure but you need to take the load off to detect it.

 

 

 

 


Bit off topic now, Lets veer back on.



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  Reply # 1701506 11-Jan-2017 17:10
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TimA:

 

Bit off topic now, Lets veer back on.

 

 

It seems to me that vehicle standards are very much on topic in the context of the road toll given they're often used as a scapegoat despite the fact defects rarely even play a significant role in fatal crashes much less the primary one.





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The reports at the number of "avoidable" deaths relating to non wearing of seat belts is disturbing. I really do not understand why someone would not wear belts, its quick simple and does not make ones day harder. Maybe they could make cars unable to start until the seat belts are all fastened in the seats that sensors indicate are occupied. Unfortunately there are circumstances though (most motorists would not experience) where the wearing of seat belts is not advisable.

 

 





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  Reply # 1701524 11-Jan-2017 17:19
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MikeB4:

 

The reports at the number of "avoidable" deaths relating to non wearing of seat belts is disturbing. I really do not understand why someone would not wear belts, its quick simple and does not make ones day harder. Maybe they could make cars unable to start until the seat belts are all fastened in the seats that sensors indicate are occupied. Unfortunately there are circumstances though (most motorists would not experience) where the wearing of seat belts is not advisable.

 

 

 

I'm really not in favour of overcomplication of simple matters and this reeks of overcomplication both in implementation and execution.

 

If someone chooses to wear a seatbelt or chooses not to is up to them. We have more than enough sticky-beak bureaucracy in our lives as it is without adding to it. We should seek to fix the underlying problems not merely patch over the consequences. Stop crashing into things through poor driving and it doesn't matter if you wear a seatbelt or not.





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  Reply # 1701528 11-Jan-2017 17:22
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cadman:

 

MikeB4:

 

The reports at the number of "avoidable" deaths relating to non wearing of seat belts is disturbing. I really do not understand why someone would not wear belts, its quick simple and does not make ones day harder. Maybe they could make cars unable to start until the seat belts are all fastened in the seats that sensors indicate are occupied. Unfortunately there are circumstances though (most motorists would not experience) where the wearing of seat belts is not advisable.

 

 

 

I'm really not in favour of overcomplication of simple matters and this reeks of overcomplication both in implementation and execution.

 

If someone chooses to wear a seatbelt or chooses not to is up to them. We have more than enough sticky-beak bureaucracy in our lives as it is without adding to it. We should seek to fix the underlying problems not merely patch over the consequences. Stop crashing into things through poor driving and it doesn't matter if you wear a seatbelt or not.

 

 

 

 

Every avoidable death like not wearing a seat belt or a life jacket or a helmet there is a considerable cost both human and financial.





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MikeB4:

 

cadman:

 

MikeB4:

 

The reports at the number of "avoidable" deaths relating to non wearing of seat belts is disturbing. I really do not understand why someone would not wear belts, its quick simple and does not make ones day harder. Maybe they could make cars unable to start until the seat belts are all fastened in the seats that sensors indicate are occupied. Unfortunately there are circumstances though (most motorists would not experience) where the wearing of seat belts is not advisable.

 

 

 

I'm really not in favour of overcomplication of simple matters and this reeks of overcomplication both in implementation and execution.

 

If someone chooses to wear a seatbelt or chooses not to is up to them. We have more than enough sticky-beak bureaucracy in our lives as it is without adding to it. We should seek to fix the underlying problems not merely patch over the consequences. Stop crashing into things through poor driving and it doesn't matter if you wear a seatbelt or not.

 

 

 

 

Every avoidable death like not wearing a seat belt or a life jacket or a helmet there is a considerable cost both human and financial.

 

 

 

 

And I accept those costs as part and parcel of the rich tapestry of life, as do the people that choose to take the risk of not wearing a seatbelt etc.





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MikeB4:

 

The reports at the number of "avoidable" deaths relating to non wearing of seat belts is disturbing. I really do not understand why someone would not wear belts

 

 

Because they're stupid.  And I can't see the sense in taking expensive technical measures to reduce the chance of them removing themselves from the gene pool.


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In general Kiwis have become very good at killing themselves this year.

 

Drowning, Road accidents, fires have we become so dependant on the nanny state telling us what to do and how to do it that we are not stopping to assess the risks for ourselves?

 

My pet hates on the road are cutting corners and overtaking around blind corners, but I see both multiple times a day, IMO those combined with not giving way at intersections are killing more people than speed.

 

And seriously WTFF is with not wearing a seatbelt? I don't even drive down my driveway without a seatbelt on, it causes no discomfort or inconvenience, so why do morons still not wear them? Are they protesting being told what to do or are they simply lacking in brain cells?





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dickytim:

 

 

 

And seriously WTFF is with not wearing a seatbelt? I don't even drive down my driveway without a seatbelt on, it causes no discomfort or inconvenience, so why do morons still not wear them? Are they protesting being told what to do or are they simply lacking in brain cells?

 

 

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