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# 207778 13-Jan-2017 12:39
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Just wondering if any of you industrious types have created a spread sheet for comparing costs of ownership for Petrol vs. Diesel vehicles here in NZ?

 

It would be great to plug some numbers into a spread sheet to include fuel costs and RUC etc. and actually work out which route to go....very fuel efficient petrol car less RUC or diesel?...my head is hurting!  haha!





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  # 1702700 13-Jan-2017 13:40
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Jase2985:

 

first result on google for "petrol vs diesel nz spreadsheet"

 

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Our-Work/Documents/petrol-vs-diesel-calculator-2016.xls

 

 

Awesome! - ok, time for some comparison.... 





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  # 1702714 13-Jan-2017 14:15
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@DickDastardly:

 

Jase2985:

 

first result on google for "petrol vs diesel nz spreadsheet"

 

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Our-Work/Documents/petrol-vs-diesel-calculator-2016.xls

 

 

Awesome! - ok, time for some comparison.... 

 

 

 

 

As discussed - I have done extensive research 2 years ago before moving to Diesel. I also looked at the servicing costs etc.

 

In general - if you do less than 15,000km a year, it is cheaper to own a petrol than a diesel.








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  # 1702723 13-Jan-2017 14:41
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nakedmolerat:

 

@DickDastardly:

 

Jase2985:

 

first result on google for "petrol vs diesel nz spreadsheet"

 

http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Our-Work/Documents/petrol-vs-diesel-calculator-2016.xls

 

 

Awesome! - ok, time for some comparison.... 

 

 

 

 

As discussed - I have done extensive research 2 years ago before moving to Diesel. I also looked at the servicing costs etc.

 

In general - if you do less than 15,000km a year, it is cheaper to own a petrol than a diesel.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the comment NMR,  I own a diesel at the moment due to the fact I do 1000k's a week - so it looks likely I should stick with a diesel then! 

 

I was just keen to see how things stacked up with RUC charges and fuel costs if it was worth me changing....sounds like its still not worth considering? 

 

I was tempted by a small 1.4l petrol vehicle which alleged it returned 5.2l/100 which is around the same as my 2.0l diesel but obviously without the accompanying RUC... 





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  # 1702726 13-Jan-2017 14:56
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DickDastardly:

 

Just wondering if any of you industrious types have created a spread sheet for comparing costs of ownership for Petrol vs. Diesel vehicles here in NZ?

 

It would be great to plug some numbers into a spread sheet to include fuel costs and RUC etc. and actually work out which route to go....very fuel efficient petrol car less RUC or diesel?...my head is hurting!  haha!

 

 

The cost of diesel isn't just dollars and cents. It comes with very real health consequences for yourself, your family and for others who have to breathe in the exhaust and had no say in your use of it.  

 

I absolutely understand that head-in-sand is the usual posture on this issue, but it should be understood as one of the costs of diesel. Or you're missing something important. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/elaineschattner/2015/09/28/dieselgate-is-a-cancer-problem/#7909ee1578ca 

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/pollution/diesel-exhaust-and-cancer 

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/exposure-to-diesel-fumes-causes-cancer/news-story/1d237f76134177e778dae6d4c7ff51f6 

 

 

 

 





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  # 1702729 13-Jan-2017 15:02
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DickDastardly:Thanks for the comment NMR,  I own a diesel at the moment due to the fact I do 1000k's a week - so it looks likely I should stick with a diesel then! 

 

I was just keen to see how things stacked up with RUC charges and fuel costs if it was worth me changing....sounds like its still not worth considering? 

 

I was tempted by a small 1.4l petrol vehicle which alleged it returned 5.2l/100 which is around the same as my 2.0l diesel but obviously without the accompanying RUC... 

 

 

Economy wise I can get around 5.2l/100 from the Camry Hybrid, but unlike Diesels, petrols are more sensitive to the weight of your foot.


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  # 1702741 13-Jan-2017 15:13
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DickDastardly:

 

 

 

Thanks for the comment NMR,  I own a diesel at the moment due to the fact I do 1000k's a week - so it looks likely I should stick with a diesel then! 

 

I was just keen to see how things stacked up with RUC charges and fuel costs if it was worth me changing....sounds like its still not worth considering? 

 

I was tempted by a small 1.4l petrol vehicle which alleged it returned 5.2l/100 which is around the same as my 2.0l diesel but obviously without the accompanying RUC... 

 

 

1000 km/week (>50,000km a year) - stick with diesel (less trips to petrol pump and low overall cost).

 

If you need a small car, and buying brand new, you might want to consider a hybrid like corolla hatch (4.1l / 100), that can be cheaper than your current diesel (but you will lose the fun of driving a diesel!).

 

What is your current car model?

 

 

 

 






 
 
 
 




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  # 1702743 13-Jan-2017 15:16
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DickDastardly:Thanks for the comment NMR,  I own a diesel at the moment due to the fact I do 1000k's a week - so it looks likely I should stick with a diesel then! 

 

I was just keen to see how things stacked up with RUC charges and fuel costs if it was worth me changing....sounds like its still not worth considering? 

 

I was tempted by a small 1.4l petrol vehicle which alleged it returned 5.2l/100 which is around the same as my 2.0l diesel but obviously without the accompanying RUC... 

 

 

Economy wise I can get around 5.2l/100 from the Camry Hybrid, but unlike Diesels, petrols are more sensitive to the weight of your foot.

 

 

I kind of scared off from Hybrid's by the "significant" cost of replacing batteries...id heard 7 years or so was a typical replacement timescale? 





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  # 1702751 13-Jan-2017 15:20
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DickDastardly:

 

NzBeagle:

 

DickDastardly:Thanks for the comment NMR,  I own a diesel at the moment due to the fact I do 1000k's a week - so it looks likely I should stick with a diesel then! 

 

I was just keen to see how things stacked up with RUC charges and fuel costs if it was worth me changing....sounds like its still not worth considering? 

 

I was tempted by a small 1.4l petrol vehicle which alleged it returned 5.2l/100 which is around the same as my 2.0l diesel but obviously without the accompanying RUC... 

 

 

Economy wise I can get around 5.2l/100 from the Camry Hybrid, but unlike Diesels, petrols are more sensitive to the weight of your foot.

 

 

I kind of scared off from Hybrid's by the "significant" cost of replacing batteries...id heard 7 years or so was a typical replacement timescale? 

 

 

Think it's been discussed in other threads, someone can quote better than I, but I think it's not too bad among the Toyota batteries, as a few entrepreneurial people collect the cells from wreckers to re-distribute. In a 2015 so not really able to advise on lifespan.




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  # 1702754 13-Jan-2017 15:30
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nakedmolerat:

 

DickDastardly:

 

 

 

Thanks for the comment NMR,  I own a diesel at the moment due to the fact I do 1000k's a week - so it looks likely I should stick with a diesel then! 

 

I was just keen to see how things stacked up with RUC charges and fuel costs if it was worth me changing....sounds like its still not worth considering? 

 

I was tempted by a small 1.4l petrol vehicle which alleged it returned 5.2l/100 which is around the same as my 2.0l diesel but obviously without the accompanying RUC... 

 

 

1000 km/week (>50,000km a year) - stick with diesel (less trips to petrol pump and low overall cost).

 

If you need a small car, and buying brand new, you might want to consider a hybrid like corolla hatch (4.1l / 100), that can be cheaper than your current diesel (but you will lose the fun of driving a diesel!).

 

What is your current car model?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I drive a 2.0l tdi Passat wagon.

 

Vowed about 10 years ago never to buy new again, the massive depreciation was something I wanted to experience again.

 

 





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  # 1702756 13-Jan-2017 15:35
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Linuxluver: ...to breathe in the exhaust

 

Diesel exhaust smells better then pertol exhausts though.

 

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  # 1702782 13-Jan-2017 15:44
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IcI:

 

Linuxluver: ...to breathe in the exhaust

 

Diesel exhaust smells better then pertol exhausts though.

 

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Here ya go then :)
https://youtu.be/KO9f8QK1lAw?t=10s


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  # 1702799 13-Jan-2017 16:29
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DickDastardly:

 

 

 

I drive a 2.0l tdi Passat wagon.

 

Vowed about 10 years ago never to buy new again, the massive depreciation was something I wanted to experience again.

 

 

I am obsessive - so always prefer to get new cars. At least I know how well the car is maintained.

 

The corolla hybrid is now priced competitively at 33k (it was 40k). The hybrid battery is not that much expensive. I think full electric cars are quoted at equivalent of 2.5l / 100km. So a hybrid at 4l / 100 is good. The fact that it has a large fuel tank (50 l) also helps. 

 

 








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  # 1702892 13-Jan-2017 20:06
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Thanks for this.

 

Has anyone found the information provided from the EECA website for vehicle fuel efficiency is a little....flawed...interesting....not what they were expecting....or just doesn't make sense?

 

I have been plugging various details into the website and the results i received were a little head-scratching, perhaps I'm missing something.  

 

My vehicle - 4.5 stars, 6.2l/100 and a cost of $2130 (plus RUC)

 

A petrol Skoda VRS - 4.5 stars, 6.4l/100 and a cost of $1790.....really?  And being petrol there in wouldn't be RUC to pay??!!

 

A Diesel Skoda VRS - 5 stars, 5.0l/100 and a cost of $1800.

 

So based on those figures the petrol VRS Skoda is the one to go for as its 10 bucks more to run, but doesn't have the RUC....?

 

What am i missing?

 

 

 

 

 

 





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Linuxluver:

 

DickDastardly:

 

Just wondering if any of you industrious types have created a spread sheet for comparing costs of ownership for Petrol vs. Diesel vehicles here in NZ?

 

It would be great to plug some numbers into a spread sheet to include fuel costs and RUC etc. and actually work out which route to go....very fuel efficient petrol car less RUC or diesel?...my head is hurting!  haha!

 

 

The cost of diesel isn't just dollars and cents. It comes with very real health consequences for yourself, your family and for others who have to breathe in the exhaust and had no say in your use of it.  

 

I absolutely understand that head-in-sand is the usual posture on this issue, but it should be understood as one of the costs of diesel. Or you're missing something important. 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/elaineschattner/2015/09/28/dieselgate-is-a-cancer-problem/#7909ee1578ca 

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancercauses/othercarcinogens/pollution/diesel-exhaust-and-cancer 

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/exposure-to-diesel-fumes-causes-cancer/news-story/1d237f76134177e778dae6d4c7ff51f6 

 

 

I have a diesel wagon. Diesels have advantages e.g. more torque so better for towing and going up hills and arguably more robust engines

 

All combustion engine exhaust is not healthy the primary difference between petrol and diesel is particulates 

 

The primary cause of carcinogens from diesel emissions is particulate matter, ensure any diesel car has a particulate filter [dpf]

 

Alternatively consider an electric only car :)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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