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# 208174 30-Jan-2017 14:26
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I'm looking to buy my first new car. In the sub $20K range.

Initially the Holden Spark was my clear #1 choice. Also considered a Suzuki Celerio, and while out of my price range new - I considered a near new Ford Fiesta 1.0 turbo.

As I've got spare time up my sleeve I thought I'd investigate further. I was quite disappointed to discover that even though Holdens NZ website and local sales brochures all show LS manual - they in fact do no bring them into NZ... they are all CVT auto. I called up head office to confirm because I was real surprised they would advertise an unavailable product.

Seems they can be imported on special order, 3 month waiting time. No manual parts in NZ, so if ever needed, a 2 week wait.

What do people think about idea of ordering special import in manual? Apart from a 3 month wait, any good reason I potentially should walk away and investigate the other 2 aforementioned cars?

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  # 1712783 30-Jan-2017 14:30
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Have a look at these, they start sub $20k and are kinda cool.

 

 

 

https://www.suzuki.co.nz/Overview/Ignis





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  # 1712798 30-Jan-2017 14:41
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We have a couple of Holden Sparks at work... they really are steaming piles of horse manure.

 

1 totally gutless, I Swear it slows down when you put your foot flat

 

2 can't get the seat low enough so the mirror doesn't take up 3/4 of the available visibility

 

3 the mirror cant be adjusted to the right place... the ball is so tight it jumps from one position to the next

 

4 the reversing camera screen in the mirror is impossible to see in daylight

 

5 can't turn off the daylight running lights

 

6 the seat is missing most of the cushioning

 

7 it screams low tech POS at every opportunity

 

8 the road noise is deafening

 

9 It handles exactly the way a go-cart doesn't

 

10 the brakes...don't

 

11 My balls shrink slightly every time I drive it

 

Don't get me wrong... I've driven worse... the other Spark

 

 

 

 





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  # 1712840 30-Jan-2017 15:31
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Why are you looking at that particular car? There is so much that I could write on this topic. However for that type of car, I think you are best to look for a new low milage ex-rental or similar that is only a few years old and is still under manufacturers warranty. So you are still essentially getting a new car, but a lot of the depreciation has been knocked off it. This way you  can then get a far better car for your money. The Mazda 2 is a nice vehicle,  they you have Toyotas, Hyundais etc, which all seem produce a good product. But go to the Dog and Lemon guide to find out more about the problems for each model. If you go new, you want to get at least 15-20% off the retail price by negotiation. That way you can still keep under your budget, but get more bang fro your buck. Also field days are a good time to pick up a bargain, as is the end of the financial year.


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  # 1712841 30-Jan-2017 15:32
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Would you not get much better value for money looking at a s/h car still within its warranty period? You'd surely get much better bang for your buck. Sure, I get the desire for a new car, but personally I don't think that should over-ride getting something half-decent.

 

Cheap and new in nearly all situations will mean nasty and significant compromises; cheap and new-new you'll be making far fewer compromises, yet still have the assurance of a low-mileage car with a still valid warranty.

 

Let someone else take that hit of buying new...




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  # 1712854 30-Jan-2017 15:50
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mdooher:

We have a couple of Holden Sparks at work... they really are steaming piles of horse manure.



The new 1400cc model, or the older 1200cc?


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  # 1712858 30-Jan-2017 15:58
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Would you not get much better value for money looking at a s/h car still within its warranty period? You'd surely get much better bang for your buck. Sure, I get the desire for a new car, but personally I don't think that should over-ride getting something half-decent.

 

Cheap and new in nearly all situations will mean nasty and significant compromises; cheap and new-new you'll be making far fewer compromises, yet still have the assurance of a low-mileage car with a still valid warranty.

 

Let someone else take that hit of buying new...

 

 

I agree - I bought my 2016 Ranger Wildtrak in November - it was 9 months old with 20,000kms on the clock. I saved $16,000 off a new one. While I would have loved a brand new one I just couldn't justify it to myself (and believe me, I tried very hard to convince myself lol)

 

When my girlfriend was looking at new cars, she also 'settled' for a 2 year old Hyundai Accent with 50,00kms on it which she got for $14,000. Originally she was willing to spend over $20k but she had the same epiphany as I did. That was over a year ago now and she has had no problems with the Hyundai and it's been a great car - very cheap on fuel too at around 5-6l litres per 100kms around town.


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  # 1712860 30-Jan-2017 15:59
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Geese:
mdooher:

 

We have a couple of Holden Sparks at work... they really are steaming piles of horse manure.



The new 1400cc model, or the older 1200cc?

 

OMG they made a 1200cc? how would that even overcome the bearing friction???

 

So to answer your question, they are 1400cc





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  # 1712867 30-Jan-2017 16:11
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jonathan18:

 

Would you not get much better value for money looking at a s/h car still within its warranty period? You'd surely get much better bang for your buck. Sure, I get the desire for a new car, but personally I don't think that should over-ride getting something half-decent.

 

Cheap and new in nearly all situations will mean nasty and significant compromises; cheap and new-new you'll be making far fewer compromises, yet still have the assurance of a low-mileage car with a still valid warranty.

 

Let someone else take that hit of buying new...

 

 

I agree - I bought my 2016 Ranger Wildtrak in November - it was 9 months old with 20,000kms on the clock. I saved $16,000 off a new one. While I would have loved a brand new one I just couldn't justify it to myself (and believe me, I tried very hard to convince myself lol)

 

When my girlfriend was looking at new cars, she also 'settled' for a 2 year old Hyundai Accent with 50,00kms on it which she got for $14,000. Originally she was willing to spend over $20k but she had the same epiphany as I did. That was over a year ago now and she has had no problems with the Hyundai and it's been a great car - very cheap on fuel too at around 5-6l litres per 100kms around town.

 

 

Yep, I practice what I preach too! I saved nearly $20k on the $61k list price of my car, which was 11 months old at the time so still had four years of warranty and two years of free servicing to run.

 

Your girlfriend's situation is totally relevant to the OP's, given the price point. I know I'd do what she did in his situation...

 

OP - is there any strong reason why you're not keen to look at near-new?




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  # 1712868 30-Jan-2017 16:12
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Why are you looking at that particular car? There is so much that I could write on this topic. However for that type of car, I think you are best to look for a new low milage ex-rental or similar that is only a few years old and is still under manufacturers warranty. So you are still essentially getting a new car, but a lot of the depreciation has been knocked off it. This way you  can then get a far better car for your money. The Mazda 2 is a nice vehicle,  they you have Toyotas, Hyundais etc, which all seem produce a good product. But go to the Dog and Lemon guide to find out more about the problems for each model. If you go new, you want to get at least 15-20% off the retail price by negotiation. That way you can still keep under your budget, but get more bang fro your buck. Also field days are a good time to pick up a bargain, as is the end of the financial year.



I have bought 5 new motorbikes over last 5 years, on them I found depreciation very reasonable, but used bikes seem to be more sought after than dime a dozen cars. I was contemplating spending 10k on a new bike, and realised wow new cars start at $15k... maybe I would be better to buy a nice new car, and get a cheaper s/h bike for a change.

Initially I thought of Mitzi Mirages as I thought they were appealing when they first came out (I love 3 cylinder engine sound), but reviews and comparisons on youtube are pretty unanimous they are probably least best option.

To me I find the Holden Spark appealing visually inside and out, and all the reviews speak highly of them.

I briefly looked at some euro cars like the Skoda Fabia turbo, and other cars like Kia Picanto... but every euro car I have owned has been a nightmare, plus I have to think about servicing/repairs in a small town. My dad's probably spent $20k on his 20k euro in the last year just keeping it alive.

I have had an excellent run from new Suzuki motorcycles, so Suzuki Celerio seemed an option, has the features I would like, colour I like, 3 cylinder, cheapest, factory alloys, longer warranty... just that its a puny 1.0 litre 50kW engine.

Then the Ford Fiesta crossed my radar, 1.0 turbo, with phenomenal power, appealing to me inside and out, I've never owned a turbo, and I thought it would be quite a thrill to own one, especially in a tiny motor situation as I'll actually get to work it without exceeding 100km/h. But at 28k - is way out of budget, though they are on special at 23k currently, it would really depend on circumstances on the day to whether I pay that much. This is one car I would consider buying from a dealer secondhand, and I've seen several around $16-$20k range in 2014 year... probably very little warranty left though.

Whatever I buy, I intend to keep for a considerable time, like 10 years. I've had a few car dealers of the opinion "Don't buy the car you want, buy the car you can easily resell, don't buy manual as "nobody" can drive manual now so you'll struggle to sell it". I understand that, but I'm buying the car for me, not the distant potential second owner. I would prefer manual, would not consider an auto, may consider CVT, but apart from scooters I've never driven CVT, though I am familiar with their operation and internal components.



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  # 1712871 30-Jan-2017 16:15
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mdooher: OMG they made a 1200cc? how would that even overcome the bearing friction???


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
If they are that bad, JUST IMAGINE a Celerio with 2/3 the power.

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  # 1712881 30-Jan-2017 16:30
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If your budget is a little elastic, I can highly recommend the Mazda 2.

We bought one last year, and love it. It's great for around town, but would also do a road trip with relative ease and comfort (something our last small car would've struggled with).

We opted for the reversing camera upgrade, but regretted not going the model up from the base model instead. The camera upgrade simply takes the system from the BT50 ute, which means you have the image shown in the rear view mirror. It's small, makes using the mirror for its normal purpose a little harder, and can be hard to see in bright sunlight.

It may even be worthwhile asking your Mazda dealer if they have any ex-demos for sale. We saved quite a few thousand off the list price of a Mazda 3 ex-demo. It only had 70KMs on the clock, and has been treated as a new car purchase by the dealership (including full new car warranty).


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  # 1712886 30-Jan-2017 16:32
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Remember it's not how big the engine is, it's the power/weight ratio that counts. Look at the Suzuki Ignis it only has a 1.3 engine but the thing weighs less than 900KG





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  # 1712887 30-Jan-2017 16:36
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We saved quite a few thousand off the list price of a Mazda 3 ex-demo. It only had 70KMs on the clock, and has been treated as a new car purchase by the dealership (including full new car warranty).

 

 

https://youtu.be/BQctuPp3kjU

 

 

 

 





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  # 1712888 30-Jan-2017 16:36
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jonathan18:OP - is there any strong reason why you're not keen to look at near-new?


The cars I've looked at new have generally had a 3 year/100,000km warranty. I would probably do 100,000km in 3 years, so I guess I was kind of looking at the "added value" of that really. Plus knowing it hasn't been thrashed. I guess buying within that 3 year/100,000km window means the vehicle should be up to date with servicing to keep the warranty valid.

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  # 1712893 30-Jan-2017 16:42
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Whatever I buy, I intend to keep for a considerable time, like 10 years. I've had a few car dealers of the opinion "Don't buy the car you want, buy the car you can easily resell, don't buy manual as "nobody" can drive manual now so you'll struggle to sell it". I understand that, but I'm buying the car for me, not the distant potential second owner. I would prefer manual, would not consider an auto, may consider CVT, but apart from scooters I've never driven CVT, though I am familiar with their operation and internal components.

 

If I was going on looks, I would probably go for some of the European cars. But if I was planning on keeping it for more than 5 years, I would definitely stick with Japanese for reliability and cost of servicing etc. Ironically some European cars are now just rebadged Japanese. eg is infact the new Fiat Spider is actually just a mazda mx5 with a different body! It even has the maxda inbuilt tablet / infotainment screen. 

 

I would take reviews with a grain of salt, as some of them maybe advertorials, and may not be that independent. You should watch a range of independent youtube reviews from different countries to get a good idea. I would recommend a normal 6 speed auto over a CVT, and possibly one with paddles, although that maybe outside your budget. 

 

The other thing is that there are a lot of options for small cars, and they aren't as popular as they once were, as people want these compact softroaders these days. So you should be able to get a good deal. The mazda 2 though is largely the same as the cx-3, as it is on the same platform, but lower down. But going for the mazda 2 is about a 10k saving. I do think at the moment that mazda 2 is one of the top small cars. But I also like Toyota for reliability and reasonable build quality (the Japanese made ones) , based on my own experience of having owned one for more than 10 years. Not a single problem with it in that time.


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