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  Reply # 1778686 9-May-2017 19:32
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PhantomNVD: And yet:

http://i.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/92200640/indian-automaker-mahindra-pulls-the-plug-on-electric-car-sales-in-uk

 

Two steps forward, one step back. Doesn't change the trend of the future.

 

 





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  Reply # 1778690 9-May-2017 19:36
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Rikkitic:

 

I did answer it. Quit being obtuse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I asked you a legitimate question relating to your post which contained that we could reduce the cars we need by 90 to 95% what alternatives do you propose to replace those vehicles given the social structure of our country and the activities we do.

 

Instead of name calling try answering.





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  Reply # 1778693 9-May-2017 19:44
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I'm sure that for a lot of people whose lives are spent almost entirley in large cities, the shared self driving vehicle model will work very well.

 

But - and this is not resisting progress, just being realistic - I think we're a long way from the day when that model will launch my boat at the beach, or take me to my mate's farm and drive me around the paddocks while I shoot rabbits, or even take my family, 4 bikes a couple of kayaks and the dog for a week's holiday in remote Northland.  So, I think the predictions that "our kids won't have driving licences" are a long way out, at least in NZ.  London etc, sure - I know lots of people who don't own cars in big cities.


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  Reply # 1778709 9-May-2017 20:08
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shk292:

 

I'm sure that for a lot of people whose lives are spent almost entirley in large cities, the shared self driving vehicle model will work very well.

 

But - and this is not resisting progress, just being realistic - I think we're a long way from the day when that model will launch my boat at the beach, or take me to my mate's farm and drive me around the paddocks while I shoot rabbits, or even take my family, 4 bikes a couple of kayaks and the dog for a week's holiday in remote Northland.  So, I think the predictions that "our kids won't have driving licences" are a long way out, at least in NZ.  London etc, sure - I know lots of people who don't own cars in big cities.

 

 

A reasonable, measured response (unlike some). I don't doubt private ICE cars will be around for a long time for specific purposes. I also don't doubt that the change to self-driving community cars will be uneven, happening faster in some places than others. This is how these things always go.

 

In any case, I did not make that prediction.

 

 





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  Reply # 1778725 9-May-2017 20:12
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MikeB4:

 

I asked you a legitimate question relating to your post which contained that we could reduce the cars we need by 90 to 95% what alternatives do you propose to replace those vehicles given the social structure of our country and the activities we do.

 

Instead of name calling try answering.

 

 

I never mentioned any figure of 90 or 95% or anything else. That was not my post. I also didn't call any names. I think you are a bit too eager to find things wrong with my ideas.

 

 





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  Reply # 1778727 9-May-2017 20:15
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Rikkitic:

 

 

 

To the ICE dinosaurs on this thread: tdgeek just posted a talk by an auto industry insider that you might want to read. Here is an excerpt:

 

Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self driving cars will appear for the public. Around 2020, the complete industry will start to be disrupted. You don't want to own a car anymore. You will call a car with your phone, it will show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not need to park it, you only pay for the driven distance and can be productive while driving. Our kids will never get a driver's licence and will never own a car. 

 

It will change the cities, because we will need 90-95% less cars for that. We can transform former parking spaces into parks. 1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide. We now have one accident every 60,000 miles (100,000 km), with autonomous driving that will drop to one accident in 6 million miles (10 million km). That will save a million lives each year. 

 

Most car companies will probably become bankrupt. Traditional car companies try the evolutionary approach and just build a better car, while tech companies (Tesla, Apple, Google) will do the revolutionary approach and build a computer on wheels. 

 

Many engineers from Volkswagen and Audi; are completely terrified of Tesla.

 

The rest is here: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=214381

 

[edited for emphasis]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is this not your post ?





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  Reply # 1778734 9-May-2017 20:21
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EV's will be part of the future, unfortunately they are not the entire answer. There will probably several motive power methods used. It is however going to take a very long time. For EV to gain a reasonable market share  trip range, charge rates and esthetics in design will need to improve and the infrastructure to support improved considerably including new power stations.

 

I like EVs a lot but right now they are a niche market.





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  Reply # 1778737 9-May-2017 20:25
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MikeB4:

 

Rikkitic:

 

 

 

To the ICE dinosaurs on this thread: tdgeek just posted a talk by an auto industry insider that you might want to read. Here is an excerpt:

 

Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self driving cars will appear for the public. Around 2020, the complete industry will start to be disrupted. You don't want to own a car anymore. You will call a car with your phone, it will show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not need to park it, you only pay for the driven distance and can be productive while driving. Our kids will never get a driver's licence and will never own a car. 

 

It will change the cities, because we will need 90-95% less cars for that. We can transform former parking spaces into parks. 1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide. We now have one accident every 60,000 miles (100,000 km), with autonomous driving that will drop to one accident in 6 million miles (10 million km). That will save a million lives each year. 

 

Most car companies will probably become bankrupt. Traditional car companies try the evolutionary approach and just build a better car, while tech companies (Tesla, Apple, Google) will do the revolutionary approach and build a computer on wheels. 

 

Many engineers from Volkswagen and Audi; are completely terrified of Tesla.

 

The rest is here: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=214381

 

[edited for emphasis]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is this not your post ?

 

 

Yes, but I am simply quoting a portion of what someone else said. I agree overall with the points being made, but I cannot say if specific assertions are true.

 

 





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  Reply # 1778740 9-May-2017 20:28
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MikeB4:

 

EV's will be part of the future, unfortunately they are not the entire answer. There will probably several motive power methods used. It is however going to take a very long time. For EV to gain a reasonable market share  trip range, charge rates and esthetics in design will need to improve and the infrastructure to support improved considerably including new power stations.

 

I like EVs a lot but right now they are a niche market.

 

 

This I can agree with. I just think it will happen faster than you do.

 

 





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  Reply # 1778743 9-May-2017 20:32
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Rikkitic:

 

MikeB4:

 

EV's will be part of the future, unfortunately they are not the entire answer. There will probably several motive power methods used. It is however going to take a very long time. For EV to gain a reasonable market share  trip range, charge rates and esthetics in design will need to improve and the infrastructure to support improved considerably including new power stations.

 

I like EVs a lot but right now they are a niche market.

 

 

This I can agree with. I just think it will happen faster than you do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Power generation is a big hurdle. Power plants are expensive and take a longtime to plan and build and there are only a few options open to us and less we decide to go nuclear.





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  Reply # 1778750 9-May-2017 20:42
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MikeB4:

Rikkitic:


MikeB4:


EV's will be part of the future, unfortunately they are not the entire answer. There will probably several motive power methods used. It is however going to take a very long time. For EV to gain a reasonable market share  trip range, charge rates and esthetics in design will need to improve and the infrastructure to support improved considerably including new power stations.


I like EVs a lot but right now they are a niche market.



This I can agree with. I just think it will happen faster than you do.


 



 


Power generation is a big hurdle. Power plants are expensive and take a longtime to plan and build and there are only a few options open to us and less we decide to go nuclear.



Not if you believe this man:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxryv2XrnqM&t=1953s

Quoted from this thread (after watching) http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=214381

Fascinating stuff!

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  Reply # 1778834 9-May-2017 22:37
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  Reply # 1778958 10-May-2017 10:22
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PhantomNVD:
MikeB4:

 

Power generation is a big hurdle. Power plants are expensive and take a longtime to plan and build and there are only a few options open to us and less we decide to go nuclear.

 



Not if you believe this man:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxryv2XrnqM&t=1953s

Quoted from this thread (after watching) http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=48&topicid=214381

Fascinating stuff!

 

I'm not sure what point he's trying to make. The EVs still have to be charged first in order to 'store' the energy' so overall EVs are an extra load on the grid which needs to be compensated for with more generation.





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  Reply # 1778992 10-May-2017 10:52
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cadman:

 

 

 

I'm not sure what point he's trying to make. The EVs still have to be charged first in order to 'store' the energy' so overall EVs are an extra load on the grid which needs to be compensated for with more generation.

 

 

The grid, and generators, are built for peak requirements.  Power is not used at peak all day every day, indeed only for short times.  So you have spare capacity for most of the day. 

 

One way to improve this is to charge cars and/or stationary batteries during the other times (when energy requirements are not at peak).

 

They can stay on the grid, and then feed energy back into the grid, locally where it's needed, to meet peak demands.

 

Because you're now supplementing peak requirements locally, and essentially "averaging out" energy needs from the grid throughout the day, you reduce the peak requirements of the grid and generation plants.

 

Of course there is an overhead involved in all of this because energy storage is not entirely lossless.  But the point here is you are reducing the peak load.


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