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  # 1786121 22-May-2017 18:21
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MikeB4:

 

The exception is the Wellington smart motorway, choose the lane best suited for your intended exit and obey the variable speed. There is no last lane.

 

 

 

 

Where did you read that?

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left/

 

Key driving skills

 

Keeping left

 

 

 

 

 

Keeping left on a laned road

 

Most roads in New Zealand have lanes marked on them with a white line or raised studs.

 

When driving on a laned road, it is important to drive your vehicle within your lane.

 

Where there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line:

 

  • keep in the left-hand lane as much as you can
  • don't use the lane closest to the centre line if you will hold up other vehicles.

The lane closest to the centre line should only be used when:

 

  • you want to pass another vehicle
  • you want to turn right
  • the left-hand lane is full with other traffic or is blocked.
 

 

 

 

 

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  # 1786153 22-May-2017 19:32
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South of Ngauranga it is clearly signposted that the 2 lefthand lanes head up the Gorge to SH1 and the 2 righthand lanes head to the Hutt Valley SH2.

2.4 Route of driving at intersections marked or signed in lanes
If road markings or traffic signs designate specific lanes for specific manoeuvres at the approaches to an intersection, a driver must not use any lane except for the manoeuvre appropriate to its marking or signage.j

 
 
 
 


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  # 1786169 22-May-2017 19:54
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adimw:

 

 

 

 

 

Where did you read that?

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left/

 

Key driving skills Keeping left

 

      

 

 

 

The actual legislation. Not the road code (ala guide)

 

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303041.html 

 

 

A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if—

 

 

 

 

 

 

(g) the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or

 

 

 

(h) the traffic in every lane is congested.

 

Now if we could all direct this back to the topic at hand and not another 'stick to the left' thread.. ya'll will see he was talking about a major state express with a single direction lane, not a urban motorway like everyone is jumping on.

 


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  # 1786175 22-May-2017 20:10
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adimw:

 

MikeB4:

 

The exception is the Wellington smart motorway, choose the lane best suited for your intended exit and obey the variable speed. There is no last lane.

 

 

 

 

Where did you read that?

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left/

 

Key driving skills Keeping left

 

 

 

  Keeping left on a laned road

 

Most roads in New Zealand have lanes marked on them with a white line or raised studs.

 

When driving on a laned road, it is important to drive your vehicle within your lane.

 

Where there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line:

 

  • keep in the left-hand lane as much as you can
  • don't use the lane closest to the centre line if you will hold up other vehicles.

The lane closest to the centre line should only be used when:

 

  • you want to pass another vehicle
  • you want to turn right
  • the left-hand lane is full with other traffic or is blocked.

     

 

 

 

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/projects/wellington-northern-corridor/smart-motorway/





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  # 1786240 22-May-2017 20:44
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scuwp:
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i travel between 105 -110 on the open road and i cant remember ever been tailgated once 

 



Because you are speeding?

 

 

 

I use to do the same thing. Then I was tailgated by a cop car with flashing lights.




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  # 1786254 22-May-2017 21:35
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MikeAqua:

 

 

 

Part of the issue is variation in accuracy of speedometers. My Pajero shows 108 on the speedo when a Tomtom GPS and my phone's GPS both say 100.  

 

The Mazda under the same comparisons seems very accurate.

 

A person with an accurate speedo often feels they are being held up by 'slow drivers' - many of whom think they are doing the speed limit but have an exaggerating speedo.

 

People also see certain types of (often slow) vehicles as driving slowly - trailers, campervans, trucks.  Vehicles like yours may be one of those.

 

None of that justifies aggressive driving but may explain some of it. 

 

 

I know my car is actually doing 100kph when the speedo is indicating 108kph (verified with several different GPS tools / devices). So I tend to drive at about 105kph "indicated".....which is about 98kph actual. I don't owe anyone any apologies for my speed. :-) 

But there are occasional times when I am trying to extend the range of my car and I will very deliberately try to maintain speeds like 80-90kph....and when I'm doing that I pull over very quickly for anyone approaching behind me. I try to choose a time of day when traffic will be light ( very early or very late) if I need to do this. Best example was 163km from Murchison to Greymouth.....I left at 5am and didn't see another care for two hours. Perfect.

But if it's a busy road I speed up and schedule more (fast) charging time so I can drive faster.  





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  # 1786256 22-May-2017 21:38
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adimw:

 

MikeB4:

 

The exception is the Wellington smart motorway, choose the lane best suited for your intended exit and obey the variable speed. There is no last lane.

 

 

 

 

Where did you read that?

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/about-driving/keeping-left/

 

Key driving skills Keeping left

 

 

 

  Keeping left on a laned road

 

Most roads in New Zealand have lanes marked on them with a white line or raised studs.

 

When driving on a laned road, it is important to drive your vehicle within your lane.

 

Where there are two or more lanes on your side of the centre line:

 

  • keep in the left-hand lane as much as you can
  • don't use the lane closest to the centre line if you will hold up other vehicles.

The lane closest to the centre line should only be used when:

 

  • you want to pass another vehicle
  • you want to turn right
  • the left-hand lane is full with other traffic or is blocked.

     



The speed limit is also in the document somewhere. :-)  

But yes....generally, you stay left, but on urban motorways there are signs that clearly indicate what lanes you should be in depending on your destination. They override the default "keep left" provision. 





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  # 1786258 22-May-2017 21:42
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rb99:

 

MikeB4:

 

Tailgatters without exception are idiots. There is no justification for this behavior. Hold back, keep to the 2/3 second rule and if really needed pass in a sane and safe manner

 

 

I've obviously had my idiotic moments then, not so much on the faster roads, as I do try to leave a reasonable space so I can accelerate before I overtake, as mentioned above, but admittedly more in town where I get frustrated by people who crawl around at 30 (if you're lucky) in a 50 zone. They can't exercise their foot on the accelerator if you beep, but they don't have any trouble exercising the odd finger...

 



Those people are often from out of town and trying to make sense of the messy assemblage of commercial and road signs all mixed in together....and a very common lack of any street names. Try this sometime ....you're on a road and you can see all the side streets....but what is the name of road you're actually on? It can be almost impossible to know without Google Maps or a GPS Nav device. So you go slow trying to give yourself a chance to see what you need to amid the visual signage diahorrea that is far too common on many urban streets. 





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  # 1786259 22-May-2017 21:46
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Disagree 100%

 

What you are arguing is "not sensible", is actually the law. After you have passed traffic on the left travelling less than the limit, then move back left. Simple.

 

And it's definitely not your job to control 'impatient' drivers travelling at 110 - stay left and leave that to the police.

 

This YouTube from Australia sums it up perfectly. The overtaking lane hog story starts at 20:40 into the video, with a perfect summation commencing at 22:00 (warning: strong language). Link here

 



You obey the motorway signage as far as lane choice goes. Left is leaving the motorway at an exit not far away....and right is express traffic carrying on through....within the speed limit, of course. Where this particular sign is located the speed limit is 80kph. 

 

Anyone staying left in this scenario - the norm as you traverse the urban area - is going to find themselves off the motorway at an exit not of their choosing. 





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  # 1786263 22-May-2017 21:53
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Linuxluver:

 

dafman:

 

 

 

Disagree 100%

 

What you are arguing is "not sensible", is actually the law. After you have passed traffic on the left travelling less than the limit, then move back left. Simple.

 

And it's definitely not your job to control 'impatient' drivers travelling at 110 - stay left and leave that to the police.

 

This YouTube from Australia sums it up perfectly. The overtaking lane hog story starts at 20:40 into the video, with a perfect summation commencing at 22:00 (warning: strong language). Link here

 



You obey the motorway signage as far as lane choice goes. Left is leaving the motorway at an exit not far away....and right is express traffic carrying on through....within the speed limit, of course. Where this particular sign is located the speed limit is 80kph. 

 

Anyone staying left in this scenario - the norm as you traverse the urban area - is going to find themselves off the motorway at an exit not of their choosing. 

 

 

Still no reason to be on the far right lane. The far right (over taking) lane very rarely has an off-ramp. So there is never an excuse to be in it unless you over taking.


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  # 1786278 22-May-2017 23:01
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Not just cars on cars. And these dudes grind me. 2 Blocks from the corner where the school kids get dropped off. But waiting is for plebs.

 

Not got the dynamic range, but this chap sat on the butt of cyclists, so his 2 buddies bugged out to the footpath. Meanwhile as soon as the chap got to the bus stop zone (perfectly allowed to use all of said bus lane if he wanted as hes a bike) he zips past up to more than traffic speed with one in behind.

 

They tow the cars who stop for the dairy, but I'd LOVE to see a ticketing spree again.

 

 

 

OK, youtube embedded links HATE me tonight.

 

https://youtu.be/JHFALSJm6eA


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  # 1786360 23-May-2017 08:19
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HamletUnicorn:

 

The majority of tailgating is simply out of ignorance. They have no idea they're doing anything wrong. If I pulled over every time someone follows too close I'd be pulling over dozens of times over a 15 minute journey and my fuel consumption would go thru the roof.

 

Sounds like you're a moving obstruction on the road.


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  # 1786370 23-May-2017 08:50
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Wiggum:

 



 

 

 

Still no reason to be on the far right lane. The far right (over taking) lane very rarely has an off-ramp. So there is never an excuse to be in it unless you over taking.

 

 

According to the sign a driver going to Hamilton should be in one of the two right-most lanes.  If the left Hamilton lane is congested then it's perfectly legal to be in the right Hamilton lane.

 

Sometimes only the far-right lane is marked Hamilton and a driver heading to Hamilton can (?should?) use that lane.

 

 





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  # 1786381 23-May-2017 09:01
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MikeAqua:

 

 

 

According to the sign a driver going to Hamilton should be in one of the two right-most lanes.  If the left Hamilton lane is congested then it's perfectly legal to be in the right Hamilton lane.

 

 

agreed, that is overtaking.


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  # 1786385 23-May-2017 09:06
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Personally I think Aucklanders should be banned from using the outside lane.  Then through traffic would have faster journey through Auckland tongue-out

 

 





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