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  # 1806574 25-Jun-2017 20:25
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The important thing is you made the right choice in the end and went with superior Japanese technology. I don't understand why people even bother with American clunkers like Ford and Holden.

 

 

 

 

Ford and Holden are Australian. The link to US clunkers (which I agree with given the time I have spent there) is by name only. Im not even sure if there is much of a financial link these days. Ford AU is gone, Holden wont be far behind.


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My 2008 Toyota is the subject of a recall at present due to an issue with the rubber seal in the CVT failing causing an oil leak which can cause performance issues (as it does it my car). Toyota sent me a letter advising me of the issue and offering a free replacement. For a 9 year old imported Jap car I was quite surprised. Reading some of the other comments about service issues in sub 10 year old cars I'm amazed other manufactures can get away with such poor service and reliability. We previously had a VW Polo, worse car we've ever had. Cost us more in repairs in the 2 years we had it than we paid. Glad to offload it.

 

 

We have a 2007 Accord Euro, bought in 2008 at 18k. Serviced by Honda NZ. Its an old car now, now 95k, but looks modern, 100% reliable, perfectly nice car, and no gouging by Honda NZ. Ive been to the US many times. They hate US cars. Honda as it happen is premium, as is Toyota. I read the other day that KIA is seen by US citizens as top quality. They do it well in Japan and Korea

 

 


 
 
 
 


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  # 1806579 25-Jun-2017 20:46
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kingjj:

 

My 2008 Toyota is the subject of a recall at present due to an issue with the rubber seal in the CVT failing causing an oil leak which can cause performance issues (as it does it my car). Toyota sent me a letter advising me of the issue and offering a free replacement. For a 9 year old imported Jap car I was quite surprised. Reading some of the other comments about service issues in sub 10 year old cars I'm amazed other manufactures can get away with such poor service and reliability. We previously had a VW Polo, worse car we've ever had. Cost us more in repairs in the 2 years we had it than we paid. Glad to offload it.

 

 

We have a 2007 Accord Euro, bought in 2008 at 18k. Serviced by Honda NZ. Its an old car now, now 95k, but looks modern, 100% reliable, perfectly nice car, and no gouging by Honda NZ. Ive been to the US many times. They hate US cars. Honda as it happen is premium, as is Toyota. I read the other day that KIA is seen by US citizens as top quality. They do it well in Japan and Korea

 

 

 

 

Gen 1 Accord Euro and Gen 2 Accord Euro represent the prowess of yesteryear Honda. They are both good looking product with superb reliability. The fact that they are good enough to be rebadged as Acura TSX in the US said something about these two Accord Euro. Sadly Honda has lost its way since and produced some very average/also run products which seem to sell well in some part of the Asia but they just don't cut it in AU/NZ. Honda is only just slowly starting to bring better/more innovative products to market like the Euro Civic and the Type-R.

 

Arguably Mazda is the new Honda if you look at the innovations Mazda bring with its Skyactiv platform, reminiscent of the old Honda.

 

 


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We have a 2007 Accord Euro, bought in 2008 at 18k. Serviced by Honda NZ. Its an old car now, now 95k, but looks modern, 100% reliable, perfectly nice car, 

 

 

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Sounds a bit better than my 2003, 355,000 km Holden Commodore. Cost me an absolute fortune last year, I had to buy two new tyres at a couple of hundy each, AND I had to put petrol in it last week.  Still at least it's reliable and it drives well. cool

 

 





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  # 1806614 25-Jun-2017 21:21
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I read the other day that KIA is seen by US citizens as top quality.

 

 

I wouldn't place too much stock on what the average US citizen considers top quality, look who they elected as their top man. cool





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  # 1806619 25-Jun-2017 21:39
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Ford and Holden are Australian. The link to US clunkers (which I agree with given the time I have spent there) is by name only. Im not even sure if there is much of a financial link these days. Ford AU is gone, Holden wont be far behind.

 

 

Oz in name only. For very many years they have been American in all that matters, like crap quality. 

 

 





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  # 1806624 25-Jun-2017 21:58
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Rikkitic:

 

tdgeek:

 

Ford and Holden are Australian. The link to US clunkers (which I agree with given the time I have spent there) is by name only. Im not even sure if there is much of a financial link these days. Ford AU is gone, Holden wont be far behind.

 

 

Oz in name only. For very many years they have been American in all that matters, like crap quality. 

 

 

 

 

I think you're wrong. I'm pretty sure the Falcon was Aussie designed.  Certainly built in Oz and were generally good motor vehicles

 

The original Commodore design originated in Europe as the Opel Record/Commodore.  The later models were Australian. In fact Holden have exported Commodore variants to the US where they were rebadged as Pontiacs. The closest any Holdens especially in recent times have come to having any US input has been with some of the V8 engines being sourced from the US. The Holden engine plant used to export engines to other GM plants around the world.

 

Many of the smaller Holdens like the Astras and Vectras are sourced out of Europe. Other models out of Korea.  None out of the US.

 

I don't know where you get the crap quality idea from. I've owned 4 Holdens over the past 37 years or so and run up high mileages. They have been excellent motor vehicles and utterly reliable. Several family members have had Holdens during this time and I'm sure they'd all say they'd buy Holden again.





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The GFC hit Ford and General Motors hard. Both are guilty of poor engineering since. GMH and Ford Australia have built some very good cars up to the GFC but since not really.

As for DSGs, they should have stayed on the race track where they belong.




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  # 1806633 25-Jun-2017 22:07
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What can I say? Different people have different experiences. I do think the Falcon (of many years ago) was in a class of its own, but that was a long time ago. Am I wrong in believing that Aussie cars of all badges used to be make for Aussie conditions, but that gradually faded away?

 

 





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  # 1806638 25-Jun-2017 22:17
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Ford and GM are both global companies, based in the US with manufacturing all over the world. The Fiesta is made all over the world but not in Australia.

The Commodore and Falcon/Territory families are Australian designed and made but the rest of their cars are from further afield. A lot of the GM models are from Korea (Captiva, Barina etc) and many of Fords designs come from Europe (Mondeo, Focus etc).

Australia has pretty much nothing to do with the OPs issues.

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BlinkyBill: A Mazda 2 is also known as a Ford Fiesta.

 

Except that I had a Ford Fiesta before, under Richard Hammond's advice. Bad move. Nothing good to say about the car other than if you took it to a race track it would beat other cars but only when it works.





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As for DSGs, they should have stayed on the race track where they belong.

 

Problem is that to meet fuel efficiency (and emissions) targets, then the old "slush box" automatic gearboxes are a fail - at least on the "city" part of test cycles.

 

DSG/DCT was one solution, but well executed is much better than some of the others - CVT is (IMO) horrid, and then there's automated manuals - "selespeed".

 

This is Mazda's argument for SkyActiv drive, which is basically a conventional slush-box but with larger lock-up clutches to bypass the torque converter on all forward gears. (conventional slush-box since the '90s have had lock-up clutches, but usually actuating only on top gear - so can be quite fuel efficient on the open road, less efficient around town)

 

 

It's also complex - there's no free lunch.  OTOH you don't hear of disasters and horror stories with Mazda SkyActive auto boxes - they are fuel efficient.

 

IMO it seems to be a very good compromise.

 

 


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  # 1806688 25-Jun-2017 22:43
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and why I'll never touch a Ford again.

 

 

While one owners experience is anecdotal it is for certain that you will tell people never to buy a ford. 

 

But I agree with you. My ford territory bought from new and driven lightly has been the stuff of nightmares. Just got serviced , the initial quote was $1500 from Ford service.  It cost $4k because so many things needed replacing .  Ball joints (which usually could last an entire lifetime for some cars but this must be the 8th time I've had to replace), bump stops (what?), diff bearing (I'm sure i've been through 4 replacements at $900 a pop). 

 

The rear window fell out once, the cable that connects the transmission to the gear lever 'snapped'  , a piece of plastic in the dash tray the size of a 50c coin broke and ford wanted $450 to replace it. Seatbelt wore out, very prematurely. The starter motor failed at around 30k, surely that is unusual. The indicator stalk needed replacing, from memory it was about $700. 

 

I'm currently in process of replacing it though, just looking for something I like.    I will never buy an australian assembled vehicle or a ford ever again. 

 

I bet the owner of our ford dealership has a really really big yacht, I paid for it in servicing costs I think. 

 

 

Ouch!

 

PS if you've ever seen Aussies at work in Straya you'll understand why





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Gen 1 Accord Euro and Gen 2 Accord Euro represent the prowess of yesteryear Honda. They are both good looking product with superb reliability. The fact that they are good enough to be rebadged as Acura TSX in the US said something about these two Accord Euro. Sadly Honda has lost its way since and produced some very average/also run products which seem to sell well in some part of the Asia but they just don't cut it in AU/NZ. Honda is only just slowly starting to bring better/more innovative products to market like the Euro Civic and the Type-R.

 

Arguably Mazda is the new Honda if you look at the innovations Mazda bring with its Skyactiv platform, reminiscent of the old Honda.

 

 

I agree with your general assessment of the Honda brand. But the biggest problem with Honda in NZ is their completely BS "Market of One"/Price Promise strategy. The premise behind the strategy is so insulting to the intelligence of your average buyer that it verges on being offensive. "You pay the same price as government and fleet buyers. Everyone pays the fair price - the price that HONDA names! And your car's second hand market value won't depreciate as much because everyone got theirs for the same price!". First of all, there are hardly any fleet buyers of Honda -- in fact, there are few mainstream buyers for Honda full stop. Honda was in 2016 the worst selling mainstream brand by a country mile (it sold 1000+ less cars than the disgraced VW). When few people desire your car when it's new, few will want it when you want to buy a new car. Sure, what you can get from buying a Corolla is diminished due to the way the rental car companies can buy their cars for much cheaper. But there are ways of mitigating this, albeit not completely: anyone who isn't an idiot and can exercise some patience/haggling skills can easily get 15% off a Corolla. 20 to 25% off isn't uncommon. For other mainstream brands, discounts of between 10 to 15% are easily obtainable.

 

I actually short-listed the Yaris ZX (highest of the range), Mazda 2 (tossed up between the middle of the range and their top end - in the end got the middle), and the lowest of the two Civics (the turbo isn't available until August). The cheapest I could get the Yaris was at around 26K driveaway, the Mazda 2 GSX(middle of the range) 24.5K, and the Civic at a whopping circa 34K. Sure, people might argue that the Civic is a larger car with much larger engine displacement, so the proper comparison might be a Mazda 3. The trouble is that for many "Car for one, professional and part of a DINK couple" buyers like me, what is of interest the most are matters of creature comfort - apart from Apple Play and day-time running lights, the Mazda 2 loses absolutely nothing in these regards at almost 10K cheaper. I would also argue that the safety features on the Mazda 2 (auto-braking, rear reversing sensor/side approach sensor plus reversing camera, and blind spot assist) are far more useful than the Civic's (lane departure camera and lane-keeping assist). And, more importantly, I get three years' worth of free service. If I were willing to pay 3K more, I could have gotten the highest end Mazda 2and it would have had partial leather seats, LED lights, and intelligent headlights, plus quite a lot of change compared to the Civic.

 

Won't try to compare the equivalent Jazz between even the GSX and its "equivalent" at 29K driveaway. The Honda would lose all the safety features apart from the reversing camera and I would have to pay 4.5K more and also lose the free servicing. Sorry, most Kiwis aren't this stupid and cars are inherently substitutable. It's time for Honda to hire someone who can actually pass a 5th form economics exam to do some consulting for them -- I suspect this kind of person is all they can afford now. At the moment, it's a brand that is living off its cachet from 10+ years ago and is trying its level best to pretend that they are a market all on their own. This kind of breathtaking arrogance is again not something that I can abide by.

 

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My 2008 Toyota is the subject of a recall at present due to an issue with the rubber seal in the CVT failing causing an oil leak which can cause performance issues (as it does it my car). Toyota sent me a letter advising me of the issue and offering a free replacement. For a 9 year old imported Jap car I was quite surprised. Reading some of the other comments about service issues in sub 10 year old cars I'm amazed other manufactures can get away with such poor service and reliability. We previously had a VW Polo, worse car we've ever had. Cost us more in repairs in the 2 years we had it than we paid. Glad to offload it.

 

 

There is something extraordinarily comforting about owning a Toyota. Like I posted previously, almost all car manufacturers are sociopathic to some degree (see how they deliberately eliminate certain cheap but frankly essential safety features such as reversing cameras from cars and sometimes even refuse to make these optional extras unless you are prepared to upgrade to the next class, not even model, up). But Toyota is as close as one can get to cast-iron reliability and excellent ethics (by carmakers' standards). I had the fortune of being invited to a tour of a Toyota factory and to see how some of their engineers conceptualise their ideas. The thing that's very apparent is how before every change is made, all the implications/drawbacks are very carefully considered. They simply won't do, for example, rubbish like using a highly breakable air pump to control the central locking system and the boot lid lock, all in order to give the car a smooth "Ooooooosh" sound, instead of the grinding, metal-chain colliding sound of "normal"central locking ala VW.

 

The trouble with Toyota at the small car end is that they tend to use extremely old technology (e.g. a four speed auto with a torque converter for the Yaris), along with having very poor build and ride quality. The Yaris I test drove had deafening road noise and rode about as comfortable as a ride-on mower. If you want at least a Corolla and up, Toyota remains well-worth considering when you can get it at a 15 to 20% discount off RRP, provided you can live without some of the typical creature comforts/luxury.

 

 

 

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This is Mazda's argument for SkyActiv drive, which is basically a conventional slush-box but with larger lock-up clutches to bypass the torque converter on all forward gears. (conventional slush-box since the '90s have had lock-up clutches, but usually actuating only on top gear - so can be quite fuel efficient on the open road, less efficient around town)

 

 

It's also complex - there's no free lunch.  OTOH you don't hear of disasters and horror stories with Mazda SkyActive auto boxes - they are fuel efficient.

 

IMO it seems to be a very good compromise.

 

 

 

 

It's still only a Ford Fiesta. Blinkybill told us so!!

 

 


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