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  # 1813468 5-Jul-2017 20:56
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These cars in NZ are still pretty much at early adopter prices. At least in nz, possibly due to lower economies of scale? The other big problem will be charging stations, and the pricing used to use these, due to NZ being quite spread out. There are quite a lot now being installed it appears, but they don't look all that cheap when you add into that the time delay in charging. 


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  # 1813470 5-Jul-2017 21:03
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mattwnz:

 

The other big problem will be charging stations

 

 

Is this even an issue with their range, just an overnight charge should see you through 99% of the time


 
 
 
 


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  # 1813475 5-Jul-2017 21:15
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People keep going on about the range and doing things like driving to tauranga and stuff like that.

 

I think I have driven to tauranga once. Possibly twice. If it gets me all days driving needs around Auckland from a single overnight charge, that is all I need.

 

 





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  # 1813491 5-Jul-2017 22:41
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Ramboss:

mattwnz:


The other big problem will be charging stations



Is this even an issue with their range, just an overnight charge should see you through 99% of the time



It is if you do long distances, or travelling nz on holiday etc. . The tesla ranges do appear to be better than other brands though.

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Based on my experience owning a Tesla, for me the build quality alone would rule out buying one. Perhaps this one will be better, surely they are improving build quality now they've had more experience - I haven't heard (haven't looked) if they have or not.

It's a very bland looking car as well. If I'm spending $60k+ I personally would want it to look nice.




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  # 1813567 6-Jul-2017 09:31
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BlinkyBill: Based on my experience owning a Tesla, for me the build quality alone would rule out buying one. Perhaps this one will be better, surely they are improving build quality now they've had more experience - I haven't heard (haven't looked) if they have or not.

It's a very bland looking car as well. If I'm spending $60k+ I personally would want it to look nice.

 

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Yeah, upon reflection, when I said Ugly, I meant bland, but to me, they are much of a muchness. It doesn't take much to take what they made and style it to look attractive. 

 

To those who claim people won't buy a plain or ugly car, I disagree, I think people buy what's "popular" or "in" and electric cars, are "in" and cool to have. 


 
 
 
 


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Yeah, upon reflection, when I said Ugly, I meant bland, but to me, they are much of a muchness. It doesn't take much to take what they made and style it to look attractive. 

 

To those who claim people won't buy a plain or ugly car, I disagree, I think people buy what's "popular" or "in" and electric cars, are "in" and cool to have. 

 

 

Depends on the price premium attached, or if your idelology (ie not a fossil burner) overrides aesthetics/costs.





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For many people a car is just an appliance. As long as it does the job, that's all that matters. In my case, I love the way my car drives, but I can't say I like the look of it, and it's certainly not something I stare out the window at when it's parked in the driveway (Toyotas, with the exception of the 86, look boring).
Lately I have been keeping track of my journeys, and whether there is access to chargers during them. I am trying to build up a usage case for just what kind of range is required. A 120km round trip from home covers 90% of those journeys so far. It has certainly adjusted my range requirements for an EV. But only for a city vehicle which appears to be an increasingly crowded part of the EV market.




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  # 1813702 6-Jul-2017 11:17
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These cars in NZ are still pretty much at early adopter prices. At least in nz, possibly due to lower economies of scale? The other big problem will be charging stations, and the pricing used to use these, due to NZ being quite spread out. There are quite a lot now being installed it appears, but they don't look all that cheap when you add into that the time delay in charging. 

 

 

The energy 'ecology' for electric cars is very different. You mainly charge at home. 

Once the range gets to 400km or more for everyday cars......you'll be able to drive from Auckland to Wellington more or less as you do now with perhaps a single 30 min stop at a 350kw Tesla Supercharger (or similar) somewhere around Taupo or Turangi. The cost of that is a fraction of petrol. Right now, using charge.net, I get 100km range for about $6. Compare that to petrol. For diesel, the RUC alone for 100km is $6.30. 

 





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Depends on the price premium attached, or if your idelology (ie not a fossil burner) overrides aesthetics/costs.

 

 

Climate change isn't about ideology. 

It's about climate change. It affects everyone.....whatever their ideology might be. :-)





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davidcole:

 

 

 

Depends on the price premium attached, or if your idelology (ie not a fossil burner) overrides aesthetics/costs.

 

 

Climate change isn't about ideology. 

It's about climate change. It affects everyone.....whatever their ideology might be. :-)

 

 

Climate change is a fact.  It's anticipated disastrous effects are reasonable predictions based on sound theory.

 

But ... whether that all matter depends on your ideology.

 

The planet will be fine (eventually).  Humans might go extinct, or major population decreases occur.   From a humanitarian perspective, that's a disaster. 

 

From an ecological perspective: meh

 

Extinction is the normal course of events.  Almost everything goes extinct.  Extinction of humans or a massive decrease in our population (we are due good a plague) will resolve climate change very rapidly.   The biota and ecology will adapt and recover (e.g. as it has in Chernobyl).





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davidcole:


 


Depends on the price premium attached, or if your idelology (ie not a fossil burner) overrides aesthetics/costs.



Climate change isn't about ideology. 

It's about climate change. It affects everyone.....whatever their ideology might be. :-)



My point is, some people don't care (or in the case of Trump believe it's real). So for individuals that is a factor in when there they pay the price premium/ignore the scarcity of choice (over ICEs)that is currently attached to Evs and phevs.




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  # 1813743 6-Jul-2017 12:23
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mattwnz:

 

These cars in NZ are still pretty much at early adopter prices. At least in nz, possibly due to lower economies of scale? The other big problem will be charging stations, and the pricing used to use these, due to NZ being quite spread out. There are quite a lot now being installed it appears, but they don't look all that cheap when you add into that the time delay in charging. 

 

 

The energy 'ecology' for electric cars is very different. You mainly charge at home. 

Once the range gets to 400km or more for everyday cars......you'll be able to drive from Auckland to Wellington more or less as you do now with perhaps a single 30 min stop at a 350kw Tesla Supercharger (or similar) somewhere around Taupo or Turangi. The cost of that is a fraction of petrol. Right now, using charge.net, I get 100km range for about $6. Compare that to petrol. For diesel, the RUC alone for 100km is $6.30. 

 

 

 

And charging at night is good - off peak and plenty of capacity at lower cost.

 

But... my 2 tonne 3L V6 diesel SUV is so economical I only put about $1000 or 950L a year in fuel through it doing around 12,000k (based on my Z card report). The RUC on 12000k is another $750 or so. So the direct cost of km  is a minor cost compared to all the other fixed stuff - cost of capital, depreciation, insurance, maintenance, rego etc. If those fixed costs are high for EV then there's not going to be much or any cost advantage for EV. 

 

Will be interesting to see how EVs work out for insurance, depreciation, maintenance, servicing etc. Would have thought electric motors are cheap on maintenance and service compared to diesels but the cost of battery ownership is a bit of a mystery. Do EV battery packs catch fire like Samsung batteries? Could cause high insurance premiums!

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  # 1813747 6-Jul-2017 12:27
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Im actually more interested in if tesla do another version of the roadster, since that would be fine as a daily driver and hang onto the falcon for the bunnings runs and supermarket trips.





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