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  # 1813051 5-Jul-2017 09:23
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Bung: Any new technology never seems to be deployed further than a short drive from the traffic control base at Ngauranga.

Regarding the Bluetooth used to drive the current journey time signs, the collection points don't correspond exactly with the destinations. Wellington CBD is past the end of the Terrace tunnel, Airport is at the roundabout at the end of SH1.

 

 

 

I would think it is reasonable while testing and trialling new technology that a convenient location that can give the system a good workout would be preferable so this should not be a surprise.  They are of course being rolled out across the whole of NZ. Perhaps the OP was seeing the system in some kind of test mode or similar?    

 

The Bluetooth travel times are only ever an approximate indication.  More accurate that ANPR (or at least were), although have a lower sample rate (every car has a registration plate, not every car has a Bluetooth device/activated).   It is also cheap and easy to install and run, and completely anonymous, so no privacy issues.  Travel time data along with traffic counts are used in traffic management and future road modelling and planning, trip time information is just a small but helpful bi-product.        

 

 

 

 

I suppose speeding is speeding so they get away with sticking cameras wherever but the line that get fed out is that fixed cameras only get installed at accident blackspots. Some of those locations have very high ticket rates (good for testing) yet they aren't where the accidents happen.

 

Bluetooth is approximate because you're reporting the time someone at a certain location sometime in the past took to do the journey when conditions could have changed in the meantime. My interest was sparked by the short interval between Wgtn CBD and Airport times as you approach Wellington. SBiddle now tells me that the 2 points are even closer than I had been told. In other words coming in from the North Taranaki/Vivian is well past the CBD and closer to the Airport point that is short of the Airport. 


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  # 1813072 5-Jul-2017 09:53
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I didn't know the cameras captured infrared light.

 

On that basis you could position infrared lights to create over exposure in the vicinity of number plates and the rego label.

 

 





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  # 1813129 5-Jul-2017 11:23
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Just re the fulltime triggering..

 

 

 

The technology uses dual digital radars to snap drivers across multiple lanes. One radar identifies which lane a speeding motorist is in, and the other fires off three snaps in quick succession to clock their middle speed. The radars double-check the speed reading before snapping an image without a flash.


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  # 1813623 6-Jul-2017 10:29
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@aros71 - off topic I know, but I have to ask. What does IR look like, particularly from remotes? Just a bright flash or is it directional? And is it actually red?




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  # 1813683 6-Jul-2017 11:02
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mdf:

 

@aros71 - off topic I know, but I have to ask. What does IR look like, particularly from remotes? Just a bright flash or is it directional? And is it actually red?

 

 

 

 

@mdf just a dull gray continuous flashing.

 

If you want to see it, turn on your mobile phone camera, point a remote at it and then operate. The sensor in the camera is sensitive to IR, you'll easily see it.

 

 

 

Also on the other topic. The bluetooth tracking - when I commute by motorcycle I will confound those sensors since I go between slow lanes when traffic is heavy.


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  # 1819272 11-Jul-2017 00:40
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I'm amazed they do not already use things like ANPR and SPECS systems.

 

The NPR cameras in the UK apparently bag drivers for driving with no rego, driving with no WOF, driving with no insurance, stolen vehicles, wanted in connection with vehicles and all that stuff - in seconds. It would free up PC Plod to nick some burglars and other scroats!

 

In France, they get you on the Peyage motorways if your entry ticket and your exit ticket times are too close to have been completed at legal speeds. I have seen motorcycles pulled over for a sandwich, waiting for the time to elapse so they can exit the motorway without a penalty notice!






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  # 1819321 11-Jul-2017 07:47
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Not sure what you mean? As has been mentioned, there are ANPR vans in use here.

They have average speed tracking systems on some motorways in Aussie. They've discussed implementing them here also, but I'm not aware of any installations as yet.




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  # 1819322 11-Jul-2017 07:48
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I'm amazed they do not already use things like ANPR and SPECS systems.

 

The NPR cameras in the UK apparently bag drivers for driving with no rego, driving with no WOF, driving with no insurance, stolen vehicles, wanted in connection with vehicles and all that stuff - in seconds. It would free up PC Plod to nick some burglars and other scroats!

 

In France, they get you on the Peyage motorways if your entry ticket and your exit ticket times are too close to have been completed at legal speeds. I have seen motorcycles pulled over for a sandwich, waiting for the time to elapse so they can exit the motorway without a penalty notice!

 

 

Now we have some good highway sections I expect it's only a matter of time before we get point-to-point cameras here too.  

 

The law would have to change and a whole lot of $$$ spent on technology before automatic ticketing will be introduced here...although I would say it's inevitable, eventually.  It would be a highly political decision and not without it's objectors.  

 

The reality is the transport fleet is rapidly changing and everything is heading towards autonomous vehicles.   Perhaps not in my children's time, but I would predict the concept of owning and driving your own personal vehicle will be as foreign to my grand-kids as the horse-and-cart is to me.  A lot of the current problems (such as speeding and registration) will in time be obsolete.   

 

  

 

 

 

 





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Stu: Not sure what you mean? As has been mentioned, there are ANPR vans in use here.

They have average speed tracking systems on some motorways in Aussie. They've discussed implementing them here also, but I'm not aware of any installations as yet.


From what I have seen of UK reality police shows, it would appear they have ANPR in nearly all their patrol cars - I see that as being a lot easier to act on the information gained as opposed to having it in a few vans.

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  # 1819333 11-Jul-2017 08:08
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Also more expensive. I would doubt Police in NZ have enough in the budget. Would be excellent if they could add the tech to all traffic vehicles, but I'm not holding my breath.




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  # 1819347 11-Jul-2017 08:34
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scuwp:

 

 

 

Now we have some good highway sections I expect it's only a matter of time before we get point-to-point cameras here too.  

 

The law would have to change and a whole lot of $$$ spent on technology before automatic ticketing will be introduced here...although I would say it's inevitable, eventually.  It would be a highly political decision and not without it's objectors.  

 

 

 

 

The new Tunnel has Average Speed Cameras (a total of 12 - 2 per lane in each direction behind the Speed limit VMS boards) plus another 4 Fixed cameras (1 at each entrance/exit).

 

The Average Speed Cameras do spot speed as well.





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  # 1819348 11-Jul-2017 08:37
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The Waterview tunnel in Auckland?




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  # 1819354 11-Jul-2017 08:41
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aros71:

 

 The only conclusion I can draw is that they have experienced some scope creep from their original mission of speed enforcement, and are now being used to compile a database of vehicle movements

 

 

I doubt it.  But if you really think that's happening, make an Official Information Act request to NZTA for all information that they have on record for car(s) registered in your name.

 

MikeAqua:

 

I didn't know the cameras captured infrared light.

 

On that basis you could position infrared lights to create over exposure in the vicinity of number plates and the rego label.

 

 

 

That would be illegal - it's specifically prohibited to use any methods to interfere with the function of speed cameras, radar etc.  


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aros71:

 

 The only conclusion I can draw is that they have experienced some scope creep from their original mission of speed enforcement, and are now being used to compile a database of vehicle movements

 

 

I doubt it.  But if you really think that's happening, make an Official Information Act request to NZTA for all information that they have on record for car(s) registered in your name.

 

MikeAqua:

 

I didn't know the cameras captured infrared light.

 

On that basis you could position infrared lights to create over exposure in the vicinity of number plates and the rego label.

 

 

 

That would be illegal - it's specifically prohibited to use any methods to interfere with the function of speed cameras, radar etc.  

 

 

You'd be using the infrared for enhancing the capture of your dashcam of course! 





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