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  #1919944 15-Dec-2017 00:28
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If my understanding is correct, in the absence of an appropriate by-law any vehicle can park in a public EV park.  That would be a rude thing to do but when parking gets difficult people can be inconsiderate ...

 

 

This is a common problem in the US where shopping malls may put in EV chargers and put signs on them saying they are only for EVs.....but some Americans seem to think that unless something is illegal they can happily go ahead and do it even if they are prats for doing it. 

The usual response is to locate the EV charger far away from the store / mall entrance so no one chooses to park there. 





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  #1919945 15-Dec-2017 00:33
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The new ChargeNet 50kw DC fast charger went live in Whangamata today at 100 Hetherington St, next to the police station. 

This completes the ring around the Coromandel that includes Thames, Coromandel Town, Whitianga, Tairua and Whangamata. It also gives small battery EVs another possible route to Tauranga from Auckland, via Thames and Tairua. It's only 90km from Whangamata to Tauranga. About the same as Cambridge to Tauranga, but without the Kaimais. You'd do it for the scenic value. Tairua is gorgeous on a sunny day. 





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  #1919968 15-Dec-2017 07:43
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Linuxluver:

MikeAqua:


If my understanding is correct, in the absence of an appropriate by-law any vehicle can park in a public EV park.  That would be a rude thing to do but when parking gets difficult people can be inconsiderate ...



This is a common problem in the US where shopping malls may put in EV chargers and put signs on them saying they are only for EVs.....but some Americans seem to think that unless something is illegal they can happily go ahead and do it even if they are prats for doing it. 

The usual response is to locate the EV charger far away from the store / mall entrance so no one chooses to park there. 



Same with Mobility parks, people think it’s ok if the car park is full or they are a courier/delivery driver if they don’t have a mobility permit.



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Linuxluver:

No one is overcharging here. We should all get down on our knees and give thanks that ChargeNet have sunk so many millions into chargers that won't see a positive return for several years. It's a gift.

 

 

Its strange the chargenet chargers are not at petrol stations, that seems to be the logical choice and a win-win for the station and chargenet. Stations make most of their money in the shop/cafe, not on fuel. Does anyone know why they can't seem to partner with a station?  Are the distribution companies waiting to put in their own chargers?

 

Some stations in the UK are required by law to have fast chargers, its easy to see it going that way here eventually.  First the carrot then the stick.


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  #1920493 16-Dec-2017 10:24
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happyfunball:[snip]Its strange the chargenet chargers are not at petrol stations, that seems to be the logical choice and a win-win for the station and chargenet.

 

Because a motorist who fills with a liquid fuel may take a forecourt spot for 5 mins or thereabouts. A similar EV motorist could be 5 or more times that, and still only buy the same single coffee. They get far more liquid customers through in the same timeframe, so greater income. Because an EV space would be occupied for longer, they would need more of them to make a viable income.


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  #1920515 16-Dec-2017 11:25
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Or because the more aware people become of the EVs the more their business model erodes?

FWIW there’s a very well placed DC fast charger at the BP in Warkworth, they just located off to the side like the air pump and it doesn’t interfere with their ‘liquid’ sales at all...https://ibb.co/bUMfvR
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PhantomNVD: Or because the more aware people become of the EVs the more their business model erodes?

FWIW there’s a very well placed DC fast charger at the BP in Warkworth, they just located off to the side like the air pump and it doesn’t interfere with their ‘liquid’ sales at all...https://ibb.co/bUMfvR
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Love that one, it is ideally placed when driving between Auckland and Whangarei.

 

Does anyone know what is up with the fast charger in Kaitaia. It is 'under construction' as long as I can remember. It would be great to have it open before the Holidays. Would be required for a trip to the Far North above Kawakawa (beyond Paihia or so) and is a missing link in the fast charger network in the Far North. There are a few 16A Commando chargers at camping sites but they are slow and not that close to the highway.




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  #1921539 18-Dec-2017 22:11
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ChargeNet have just turned on a new 50kw DC fast charger at the Pak n Save at 224 Lincoln Rd in west Auckland. It's West Auckland's only fast charger. So far. I know Vector has plans.





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  #1921577 19-Dec-2017 04:32
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happyfunball:

Some stations in the UK are required by law to have fast chargers, its easy to see it going that way here eventually.  First the carrot then the stick.



Some are at petrol stations. Vector have one at the BP in Warkworth and two more at a BP in Pakuranga (east Auckland).

ChargeNet have one at the Z station at Auckland airport and another at a Z station in Dannemora (near Botany in Auckland. There are two more I know of in the Wellington area - Z stations at Vivian St and Jackson St, Petone. There's another at a Z station in Moorhouse Rd in Christchurch. There may be others, but these are the ones I can recall for certain. I've used them all.

There is also a charger at a Gull station on the North Shore. But it's not a fast charger.




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  #1921833 19-Dec-2017 12:26
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happyfunball:

Linuxluver:

No one is overcharging here. We should all get down on our knees and give thanks that ChargeNet have sunk so many millions into chargers that won't see a positive return for several years. It's a gift.



Its strange the chargenet chargers are not at petrol stations, that seems to be the logical choice and a win-win for the station and chargenet. Stations make most of their money in the shop/cafe, not on fuel. Does anyone know why they can't seem to partner with a station?  Are the distribution companies waiting to put in their own chargers?


Some stations in the UK are required by law to have fast chargers, its easy to see it going that way here eventually.  First the carrot then the stick.



The law I think refers to motorway services needing to have chargers.

They are much more than service stations. The are almost mini malls which often only accessible from the motorways and have food courts, petrol stations, often small hotels with huge parking areas. We don't really have them in NZ.

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  #1921876 19-Dec-2017 13:11
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I don't think it's necessary to legally require chargers.  The market seems to be providing them in many places.

 

It's logical to expect the abundance of charging stations to increase as EV ownership increases.  Meanwhile if you are an EV owner you just have to plan your trips carefully.

 

 





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  #1921969 19-Dec-2017 14:47
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RunningMan:

happyfunball:[snip]Its strange the chargenet chargers are not at petrol stations, that seems to be the logical choice and a win-win for the station and chargenet.


Because a motorist who fills with a liquid fuel may take a forecourt spot for 5 mins or thereabouts. A similar EV motorist could be 5 or more times that, and still only buy the same single coffee. They get far more liquid customers through in the same timeframe, so greater income. Because an EV space would be occupied for longer, they would need more of them to make a viable income.



But an EV user is more likely to spend money as they are there longer. Most petrol users are in and out without generating a profit for the station.

A station with a nice cafe could make a lot more money than chips and pies. Captive audience.

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happyfunball:

But an EV user is more likely to spend money as they are there longer. Most petrol users are in and out without generating a profit for the station.

A station with a nice cafe could make a lot more money than chips and pies. Captive audience.

 

The cafe in a service centre is a usually a different business than the petrol station.

 

One fuel-pump can fill ten ICEVs per hour.  One charge lead can charge two EVs per hour.  To charge 20 ICEVs and 20 EVs every hour you need 2 pumps and 10 charge stations. I'd like to see the capital overheads and operating margins compared.  

 

You can make money pumping petrol provided you pump enough volume.

 

 

 

 

 

 





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Linuxluver: ChargeNet have just turned on a new 50kw DC fast charger at the Pak n Save at 224 Lincoln Rd in west Auckland. It's West Auckland's only fast charger. So far. I know Vector has plans.

 

 

 

13656.5 Km thats going to be a very long drive 

 

Enjoy


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  #1922390 20-Dec-2017 10:23
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numberonekiwi:

 

Linuxluver: ChargeNet have just turned on a new 50kw DC fast charger at the Pak n Save at 224 Lincoln Rd in west Auckland. It's West Auckland's only fast charger. So far. I know Vector has plans.

 

 

 

13656.5 Km thats going to be a very long drive 

 

Enjoy

 

 

He'll get there in that leaf with one quick charge while he stops for lunch laughing

 

 





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