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  # 1825563 19-Jul-2017 22:38
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cadman:

 

Fred99:

 

cadman:

 

Replacement motor vehicle licence label - $4.11.

 

You don't have to display a current motor vehicle licence label if you've done it online before the expiry of the last one and it hasn't arrived yet, for up to 7 days.

 

 

In these days where the taxpayer has forked out hundreds of millions of dollars for computer systems which enable the police etc to use automated number plate recognition systems telling them instantly as cars drive by, whether the cars have a valid registration and WOF, it's absurd that you have to display anything at all - apart from number plates.  Even anybody walking down the street with a cellphone can lookup for free on carjam etc details about any vehicle.

 

Printing labels is a waste of ink, synthetic paper label, time, and money for the motorist.  Then those stupid sleeve/pockets on the windscreen. Has been abandoned in some places overseas.

 

 

They don't use ANPR for that and if they did I suspect the capital and maintenance costs for large scale national deployment would far outweight a bit of ink and paper and some administration time. They're very limited on what they can use ANPR for, and rightly so - I don't wish to live in any more of a Police State. The vehicle has to be flagged as a "vehicle of interest" linked to a "person of interest". Information is not live.

 

See some OIA requests at http://www.fyi.org.nz and the ANPR Manual released under one of them.

 

 

I read the date of that - June 2012. 

 

<sigh>

 

two years later - but still 3 years ago:

 

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/technology-helps-get-dangerous-vehicles-high-risk-drivers-and-criminals-roads

 

So I'll stick with my opinion on that.

 

 


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  # 1826254 20-Jul-2017 22:20
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Fred99:

 

cadman:

 

Fred99:

 

cadman:

 

Replacement motor vehicle licence label - $4.11.

 

You don't have to display a current motor vehicle licence label if you've done it online before the expiry of the last one and it hasn't arrived yet, for up to 7 days.

 

 

In these days where the taxpayer has forked out hundreds of millions of dollars for computer systems which enable the police etc to use automated number plate recognition systems telling them instantly as cars drive by, whether the cars have a valid registration and WOF, it's absurd that you have to display anything at all - apart from number plates.  Even anybody walking down the street with a cellphone can lookup for free on carjam etc details about any vehicle.

 

Printing labels is a waste of ink, synthetic paper label, time, and money for the motorist.  Then those stupid sleeve/pockets on the windscreen. Has been abandoned in some places overseas.

 

 

They don't use ANPR for that and if they did I suspect the capital and maintenance costs for large scale national deployment would far outweight a bit of ink and paper and some administration time. They're very limited on what they can use ANPR for, and rightly so - I don't wish to live in any more of a Police State. The vehicle has to be flagged as a "vehicle of interest" linked to a "person of interest". Information is not live.

 

See some OIA requests at http://www.fyi.org.nz and the ANPR Manual released under one of them.

 

 

I read the date of that - June 2012. 

 

<sigh>

 

two years later - but still 3 years ago:

 

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/technology-helps-get-dangerous-vehicles-high-risk-drivers-and-criminals-roads

 

So I'll stick with my opinion on that.

 

 

 

You're free to take from the words of an intentionally vague Police PR release whatever you like (or better still do an OIA request yourself to bring it up to date in your mind) but I can tell you for certain they still don't use it for the mundane purpose of checking current vehicle licenses or current WoF.


 
 
 
 


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  # 1826283 20-Jul-2017 23:51
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cadman:

 

Fred99:

 

cadman:

 

Fred99:

 

cadman:

 

Replacement motor vehicle licence label - $4.11.

 

You don't have to display a current motor vehicle licence label if you've done it online before the expiry of the last one and it hasn't arrived yet, for up to 7 days.

 

 

In these days where the taxpayer has forked out hundreds of millions of dollars for computer systems which enable the police etc to use automated number plate recognition systems telling them instantly as cars drive by, whether the cars have a valid registration and WOF, it's absurd that you have to display anything at all - apart from number plates.  Even anybody walking down the street with a cellphone can lookup for free on carjam etc details about any vehicle.

 

Printing labels is a waste of ink, synthetic paper label, time, and money for the motorist.  Then those stupid sleeve/pockets on the windscreen. Has been abandoned in some places overseas.

 

 

They don't use ANPR for that and if they did I suspect the capital and maintenance costs for large scale national deployment would far outweight a bit of ink and paper and some administration time. They're very limited on what they can use ANPR for, and rightly so - I don't wish to live in any more of a Police State. The vehicle has to be flagged as a "vehicle of interest" linked to a "person of interest". Information is not live.

 

See some OIA requests at http://www.fyi.org.nz and the ANPR Manual released under one of them.

 

 

I read the date of that - June 2012. 

 

<sigh>

 

two years later - but still 3 years ago:

 

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/technology-helps-get-dangerous-vehicles-high-risk-drivers-and-criminals-roads

 

So I'll stick with my opinion on that.

 

 

 

You're free to take from the words of an intentionally vague Police PR release whatever you like (or better still do an OIA request yourself to bring it up to date in your mind) but I can tell you for certain they still don't use it for the mundane purpose of checking current vehicle licenses or current WoF.

 

 

They have the capability - that's not in question - right?

 

The vagueness of the police statement I linked to was presumably deliberate.

 

Technically - it's easy to implement - and widely used overseas for years. 

 

Legally - they have an issue - as they can't in theory pull you over for merely suspecting you have an expired WOF or Reg.  


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  # 1826313 21-Jul-2017 07:59
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cadman:

 

Replacement motor vehicle licence label - $4.11.

 

You don't have to display a current motor vehicle licence label if you've done it online before the expiry of the last one and it hasn't arrived yet, for up to 7 days.

 

 

 

 

Sorry but I beg to differ, if I understand you correctly.  

 

There are 2 different offences, one for failing to have a current licence (e.g. current one has expired and you haven't paid the fee yet for a new one) and the other for failing to display the label in the prescribed manner.  A Police officer cannot give you a ticket for the former if you have paid the fee and the records show that the vehicle is current, but they can give you a ticket for not displaying it or not displaying it as prescribed.  

 

If you do it on-line but leave it to late to get the label in the post you will need to pop into one of the NZTA agents and ask for a re-print of the label, which costs about $4 (covers the cost of producing the label).

 

     





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  # 1827143 22-Jul-2017 16:15
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scuwp:

 

cadman:

 

Replacement motor vehicle licence label - $4.11.

 

You don't have to display a current motor vehicle licence label if you've done it online before the expiry of the last one and it hasn't arrived yet, for up to 7 days.

 

 

 

 

Sorry but I beg to differ, if I understand you correctly.  

 

There are 2 different offences, one for failing to have a current licence (e.g. current one has expired and you haven't paid the fee yet for a new one) and the other for failing to display the label in the prescribed manner.  A Police officer cannot give you a ticket for the former if you have paid the fee and the records show that the vehicle is current, but they can give you a ticket for not displaying it or not displaying it as prescribed.  

 

If you do it on-line but leave it to late to get the label in the post you will need to pop into one of the NZTA agents and ask for a re-print of the label, which costs about $4 (covers the cost of producing the label).

 

     

 

 

You may stand corrected. There's no need to go and physically collect a replacement label from an issuing authority until the 7 days is up.

 


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  # 1827164 22-Jul-2017 16:57
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I recently renewed online and received an email confirmation which implies the label isn't required for the 7 days.


Success! Your licence (rego) renewal is now complete.

The licence label and tax invoice will be posted to address below and should arrive within five working days. If the address below is incorrect please update your address online now.
Keep a copy of your email renewal confirmation in your vehicle until your label arrives.

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  # 1827178 22-Jul-2017 17:16
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Increased cost in reversing tickets from council doing cars for not correctly displaying while in their parks skyrocketed with the introduction of online renewal.

So they are sure to check with ltsa records electronically themselves now before hand.

I was standard checked by a police officer who saw it was out by 2 days once, but the first question was 'renewed online?' and without checking took my word and sent me on my way. So it's pretty clear there its one of those buffer of assumption/officer discretionary things.

 
 
 
 


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  # 1827240 22-Jul-2017 18:13
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Oblivian: Increased cost in reversing tickets from council doing cars for not correctly displaying while in their parks skyrocketed with the introduction of online renewal.

So they are sure to check with ltsa records electronically themselves now before hand.

I was standard checked by a police officer who saw it was out by 2 days once, but the first question was 'renewed online?' and without checking took my word and sent me on my way. So it's pretty clear there its one of those buffer of assumption/officer discretionary things.

 

Hmm he probably learnt from an incident where he spent an hour on paperwork reversing summons on expired rego that was renewed online :)

 

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  # 1827374 23-Jul-2017 00:09
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Oblivian: Increased cost in reversing tickets from council doing cars for not correctly displaying while in their parks skyrocketed with the introduction of online renewal.

So they are sure to check with ltsa records electronically themselves now before hand.

 

Not so much. I have a friend who likes to renew online always at the last minute then park where it is most obvious just so the Auckland Council will ticket him. Even with his first letter contesting the ION clearly stating that the vehicle license was renewed online and the label had not been received they still reply with their standard form letter that "...after careful consideration of all the circumstances, the infringement offence notice will not be waived in this instance and accordingly payment is due..." whereupon he sends his second letter stating that they once again did not actually read is first letter, and he wishes to have a defended hearing regarding the matter. Then, and only then, with the magic words "defended hearing" glaring at them, do the Council plebs actually bother look at his first letter and see that his defence is iron-clad. I've had the same issues with them myself on parking matters where the Council parking warden didn't know the rules they're meant to be enforcing. One was even attempting to have my car towed from my lawful parking place.

 

BTW it's the NZTA. The LTSA hasn't existed for many years.

 

Oblivian:

I was standard checked by a police officer who saw it was out by 2 days once, but the first question was 'renewed online?' and without checking took my word and sent me on my way. So it's pretty clear there its one of those buffer of assumption/officer discretionary things.

 

The only discretion exercised was in taking your word and not checking for themselves. However, under a month or two expired they will usually offer compliance anyway, meaning if you present evidence that the vehicle has been relicensed within a specified period the ION issued will be cancelled. This is discretionary.

 

There are also demerits for operating an unlicenced motor vehicle too... 20 demerits IIRC (but none for the stationary vehicle offence). And none for no current evidence of inspection or proceeding against a red light. It's all about safety, you know...


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  # 1827377 23-Jul-2017 00:30
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Fred99:

 

cadman:

 

Fred99:

 

cadman:

 

Fred99:

 

cadman:

 

Replacement motor vehicle licence label - $4.11.

 

You don't have to display a current motor vehicle licence label if you've done it online before the expiry of the last one and it hasn't arrived yet, for up to 7 days.

 

 

In these days where the taxpayer has forked out hundreds of millions of dollars for computer systems which enable the police etc to use automated number plate recognition systems telling them instantly as cars drive by, whether the cars have a valid registration and WOF, it's absurd that you have to display anything at all - apart from number plates.  Even anybody walking down the street with a cellphone can lookup for free on carjam etc details about any vehicle.

 

Printing labels is a waste of ink, synthetic paper label, time, and money for the motorist.  Then those stupid sleeve/pockets on the windscreen. Has been abandoned in some places overseas.

 

 

They don't use ANPR for that and if they did I suspect the capital and maintenance costs for large scale national deployment would far outweight a bit of ink and paper and some administration time. They're very limited on what they can use ANPR for, and rightly so - I don't wish to live in any more of a Police State. The vehicle has to be flagged as a "vehicle of interest" linked to a "person of interest". Information is not live.

 

See some OIA requests at http://www.fyi.org.nz and the ANPR Manual released under one of them.

 

 

I read the date of that - June 2012. 

 

<sigh>

 

two years later - but still 3 years ago:

 

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/technology-helps-get-dangerous-vehicles-high-risk-drivers-and-criminals-roads

 

So I'll stick with my opinion on that.

 

 

 

You're free to take from the words of an intentionally vague Police PR release whatever you like (or better still do an OIA request yourself to bring it up to date in your mind) but I can tell you for certain they still don't use it for the mundane purpose of checking current vehicle licenses or current WoF.

 

 

They have the capability - that's not in question - right?

 

The vagueness of the police statement I linked to was presumably deliberate.

 

Technically - it's easy to implement - and widely used overseas for years. 

 

Legally - they have an issue - as they can't in theory pull you over for merely suspecting you have an expired WOF or Reg.  

 

 

There's no question they have part of the capability. But they lack the live checking ability which would make it viable - statistically one in every 365 vehicles passing the ANPR could have a vehicle licence that expired the day before and it could have been renewed online before that expiry but after the last update of the VOI database.

 

Of course the vagueness was deliberate - to make the general public think they've got more capability than they actually have - firstly for political reasons, secondly as a deterrent.

 

And it's simply not cost effective here given we already have very high voluntary compliance anyway. The pittance in extra revenue it would deliver would be far outweighed by the cost of deployment.


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