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  Reply # 1860135 7-Sep-2017 09:09
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Compared to the current Leaf, this looks way better .. but I like the IONIQ better


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  Reply # 1860136 7-Sep-2017 09:11
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Batman:

 

I prefer if cars had pedestrian and cyclist collision avoidance systems too.

 

 

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  Reply # 1860565 7-Sep-2017 21:07
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$55k! Holy inflated prices, Batman!

 

How can that be justified for a small car that is so much simpler than an ICEV.  EVs should be cheaper.

 

Surely Nissan are taking the p...

 

 

Sally Roberts is quoting a new one from the UK for NZ$45K. 

They are taking orders to be placed on behalf. 





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  Reply # 1860568 7-Sep-2017 21:08
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I would rather get an Audi twin turbo v8 for 55k


But then there's that CO2 thing again. 






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  Reply # 1861626 10-Sep-2017 05:41
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Linuxluver:

 

I'd still want a bit more, though.....

 

 

Wait another year for the 60kWh version?


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  Reply # 1861628 10-Sep-2017 06:14
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Linuxluver:

Batman:
I would rather get an Audi twin turbo v8 for 55k


But then there's that CO2 thing again. 




I don't fly in airplanes and don't use a woodburner, don't change my mobile phone or other devices unless it dies, my clothes are 15 years old, and I can't afford to maintain an Audi V8

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  Reply # 1861687 10-Sep-2017 09:41
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Batman:
Linuxluver:

 

Batman:
I would rather get an Audi twin turbo v8 for 55k


But then there's that CO2 thing again. 


 



I don't fly in airplanes and don't use a woodburner, don't change my mobile phone or other devices unless it dies, my clothes are 15 years old, and I can't afford to maintain an Audi V8


One less house will be underwater thanks to your personal offset strategy. Your grandchildren thank you. 





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  Reply # 1861688 10-Sep-2017 09:41
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Linuxluver:

 

I'd still want a bit more, though.....

 

 

Wait another year for the 60kWh version?

 



My Tesla Model 3 is supposedly now only 15-18 months away......so we'll see. :-)   





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  Reply # 1862060 11-Sep-2017 08:24
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As much as I like the tesla 3 idea, I do wonder how easily they can crank them out. If the waiting time stretches out too far, I wonder if those waiting might cancel their deposits and buy something else.

Established car companies have a proven track record of large scale production.

How many tesla factories are there?

The new leaf might not have the longer range Tesla 3 but might be cheaper with a good enough battery.

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  Reply # 1862078 11-Sep-2017 08:40
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Batman:

 

I prefer if cars had pedestrian and cyclist collision avoidance systems too.

 

 

 

 

They do - the driver ;)





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At least it appears Nissan didn't pick the second ugliest car body in their inventory for this LEAF. With the previous body shape the only one they could have picked that was worse than the Tiida (at the time) would have been the Cube!
Quite a nice looking car. It would seem the biggest price constraint at the moment is the price of batteries. Hopefully with new plants coming on line that cost will come down. Although with the demands from many different areas for rechargable batteries, it may go the way of printer ink!




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  Reply # 1862664 12-Sep-2017 10:04
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Batman:
Linuxluver:

 

Batman:
I would rather get an Audi twin turbo v8 for 55k


But then there's that CO2 thing again. 


 



I don't fly in airplanes and don't use a woodburner, don't change my mobile phone or other devices unless it dies, my clothes are 15 years old, and I can't afford to maintain an Audi V8

 

Relax, you can use the wood burner - they're carbon neutral.

 

None of us can afford to replace the timing chain in an Audi V8 - wears out faster and cost's more than new batteries for an E.V. ironically.


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  Reply # 1862739 12-Sep-2017 11:47
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Compared to the current Leaf, this looks way better .. but I like the IONIQ better

 

 

I agree it looks quite nice.  But it's unclear to me what it's niche is. 

 

It has the size and price tag of a sedan suitable for family road trips but the range (200km) of a round towner.

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 1862750 12-Sep-2017 12:21
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The range is something you can probably work round with increasing numbers of rapid chargers (see charge net Nz) and an honest discussion about how often you drive longer distances.

I've got a leaf and so only more recently started thinking about longer distance driving. We still have an 2007 Ford which we have used for longer trips.

But the thing that has struck me is how long do I really drive the ford?

With young family I find there distance I travel before stopping isn't dependent on size of my petrol tank, instead its limited by children's bladders and need for playground stops.

With 200km range ev it would not add much total time compared with a petrol car. I would just stop and recharge when these breaks are decreed by those in back.

Yes it will take a little longer but the vast majority of my driving is round town. Should I get a car for what I actually do or what I might but rarely do. Ie "aspiration driving" which is what most car adverts are all about. How many 4wd do go off road or cars screaming up European mountain roads?

This desire to get to the destination as quick as possible might not be a good thing.

How many of us take the regular breaks every hour or so like the signs on the side of the road ? I certainly have memories or feeling tired and sleepy and pushing on to get to my destination as soon as possible.

Having to stop and recharge an ev battery after 200km and forcing me to stretch my legs, have a pee and play on the swings is a good thing and makes it less likely to get tired and cross the centre line.

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  Reply # 1862822 12-Sep-2017 14:00
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I really like my 24kWh Leaf, but I do find the range a bit limiting.  It is fine for my 35km each way commute to work and back, no worries at all for that, but when I went up to Auckland to EV World last weekend I charged on the way there, up there and again on the way back - 3 times I had to stop and charge.  With the 40kWh version I would have just done a fast charge in Auckland - 1 stop!  I see 40kWh as quite a big improvement, but I wont be trading up to one.  To me a more worthwhile step up would be the 60kWh version due out a year later - that would let me drive to Auckland and back home comfortably, then I could just plug in at home again and let the car charge up while I eat/sleep/internet.

 

With 60kWh I could drive longer distances like 400km or 500km and only need to stop once, I could combine that stop for charging with a pee break and lunch break and stretch my legs break.  My current car on a 500km trip would need a bunch of stops, some of which would be due to the spacing of charging stations.  Even worse is that when I do stop it isn't all that practical to get 100% full on the battery so I only get 80% and have to stop sooner.  I end up not even driving for an hour and I have to stop.  With 60kWh I would have around 350km range from 100% charged and after charging to 80% at a fast charger I'd still have a respectable 280km range.  With 24kWh a longer trip requires careful planning, with 60kWh the same trip only requires a minimal amount of thought put into where the best place to stop for charging/lunch would be.

 

Basically I put up with some hassles and inconvenience for the advantages driving an EV gives me and I can't be bothered stumping up with a large amount of money to change what I have until I can have 60kWh which is around the necessary level to be a true game changer.

 

That trip to EV World: though stopping to charge 3 times was a hassle and added significantly to the time taken - it was the cheapest trip to Auckland and back I've ever done!  I charged at the WEL Network free charger in Te Kauwhata and then at the Vector free charger in Takanini and then again at the WEL network free charger in Te Kauwhata.  The only money I spent was on a Warehouse Mobile SIM card ($4) and a hot chocolate & croissant in Takanini, total spend was still less than I'd normally spend on petrol for that trip.

 

My work commute: I was burning ~1,000 litres of petrol per year, now I'm not.  I am now going to spend ~$2,300 less per year for the next 3 years, after that the savings will be at least $1,300 per year but may be quite a bit more, depending on exactly how much the government decides to charge EVs for RUC.

 

So yeah, I love my EV - But my next one will be even better with at least 60kWh, maybe even solid state batteries.


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