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  Reply # 1869483 20-Sep-2017 15:19
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It's not a crisis, but it is elevated to be news by a breathless media, eager to drum up readership/sales/clicks.

 

 


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  Reply # 1869490 20-Sep-2017 15:23
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By comparison, trucking fuel all the way from Marsden Point to Wiri would require about twice as many tankers (ideally 6 loading, 6 unloading, 18 full on the road, 18 empty returning). There would be some benefit in having the tankers going direct to the fuel's destination instead of unloading at Wiri to load onto another tanker, so the benefit of the access points would be somewhat less.

 

 

 

 

And that'd be why the public flushed out the Zs so fast on thinking they were going to miss out.

 

8 truckloads for a A380 = not fast enough fill back n forth by road.

 

1 tuck to a Z station can fill a heap of 40-50lt tanks. Too many 50lt fills and you can't top it up fast enough - much like a large plane requirement.

 

End result, the heap of them running out before being topped up during off-peak via expected consumption/scheduled delivery


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  Reply # 1869505 20-Sep-2017 15:31
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Received press release from NZ government:

 

 

A joint industry-government group has been convened to oversee the full re-instalment of jet fuel supplies into Auckland airport, says Energy and Resources Minister Judith Collins.

 

“The Group is coordinating the responses to the supply issues arising from the Marsden Point fuel pipeline outage.

 

“It includes representatives from ExxonMobil, Z Energy, BP, Air New Zealand, KiwiRail, Auckland Council, Auckland Airport, Auckland Transport, New Zealand Defence Force, Ministry of Civil Defence and Emergency Management, and the Ministry of Transport.

 

“The Group is working full time until issues are resolved, to streamline information flows and ensure logistics are effectively managed.

 

“It is part of the government’s wider response to support industry efforts to address the disruption,” Ms Collins says.

 

The government is moving on several fronts in transport to do everything possible to improve supply, including making it easier for carriers to get overweight permits so tankers can (safely) carry more fuel. 

 

There is already an existing procedure for permitting overweight vehicles and New Zealand Transport Agency is working with industry to get the required permits. Twelve permits have been issued so far.

 

Importantly, certain checks are still required to ensure the routes cause minimal disruption to the roading network. This is being worked out as quickly as possible to get more fuel trucks moving. 

 

The New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) is providing significant logistical support to assist in the movement of fuel and taking measures to supplement supply.

 

The government and industry have asked NZDF to deploy the HMNZS Endeavour to Marsden Point. The Endeavour will set sail for Marsden Point at 11am tomorrow.

 

NZDF is offering the fuel industry the use of trucks and drivers and is currently finalising logistics.

 

Immigration NZ is providing advice to clients whose NZ visa is at risk of expiring due to cancellations or postponements. Any people whose visas are due to expire will be given an electronic visa free of charge.

 





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  Reply # 1869510 20-Sep-2017 15:35
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NZ has had a long and sorry history of doing things quite poorly & the fuel crisis is but one example.

 

One pipeline & no real contingency plan for what should happen if it is disrupted for any reason.     Go back a few decades & we build a harbour bridge which is inadequate & needs 'clip ons' & then those have problems.    Meanwhile in Sydney a harbour bridge is built properly & which now has provision for a dedicated cycle way & a dedicated pedestrian way & with a rail link.    Wellington airport with its unsafe runway over run areas.     The huge power crisis in Auckland when a cable failed.

 

 How Auckland airport does not have a rail or light rail link to the central city.

 

 How we buy second hand rail ferries & then are 'surprised' when they have the reliability of a BMC car from the 1970's.

 

 How our major airports are routinely affected by fog when in Britain they have had Cat 3 landing systems for decades.      How cycle lanes are a joke in Christchurch & only keep cyclists safe for a 100 meters and then disappear.     How we buy 105 Light Armoured vehicles & then have to rely on either the Australian or U.S. air force to deploy them.    And lets not forget the 100 % pure slogan which is an inconvenient porky!

 

 All this adds up to NZ being a First World adjacent country.

 


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  Reply # 1869512 20-Sep-2017 15:40
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NZ has had a long and sorry history of doing things quite poorly & the fuel crisis is but one example.

 

One pipeline & no real contingency plan for what should happen if it is disrupted for any reason.     Go back a few decades & we build a harbour bridge which is inadequate & needs 'clip ons' & then those have problems.    Meanwhile in Sydney a harbour bridge is built properly & which now has provision for a dedicated cycle way & a dedicated pedestrian way & with a rail link.    Wellington airport with its unsafe runway over run areas.     The huge power crisis in Auckland when a cable failed.

 

 How Auckland airport does not have a rail or light rail link to the central city.

 

 How we buy second hand rail ferries & then are 'surprised' when they have the reliability of a BMC car from the 1970's.

 

 How our major airports are routinely affected by fog when in Britain they have had Cat 3 landing systems for decades.      How cycle lanes are a joke in Christchurch & only keep cyclists safe for a 100 meters and then disappear.     How we buy 105 Light Armoured vehicles & then have to rely on either the Australian or U.S. air force to deploy them.    And lets not forget the 100 % pure slogan which is an inconvenient porky!

 

 All this adds up to NZ being a First World adjacent country.

 

 

That's quite a selective view. Are you also one of the people who believe NZ's internet is "third world" and "vastly over priced" ? 

 

We have a population of 5M people. Sydney has just under 5M. Easy to justify the cost of a bigger bridge with a larger population and tax base.  

 

You could pretty much apply that to everything else as well. 

 

We should have rail, agreed to the airport, but it's expensive. 


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I think our internet is o.k.    Read any of the Australian tech magazines and you'll see they are not happy at all with their fiber programme.


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I think our internet is o.k.    Read any of the Australian tech magazines and you'll see they are not happy at all with their fiber programme.

 

 

Having world class internet means I don't have to cross the harbour bridge nearly as often. I know which I'd prefer. 

 

 




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  Reply # 1869555 20-Sep-2017 16:24
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Received press release from NZ government:

 

 

 

 

The government is moving on several fronts in transport to do everything possible to improve supply, including making it easier for carriers to get overweight permits so tankers can (safely) carry more fuel. 

 

 

 

 

 

I've never actually known why we need Permits. Now I know why we need Permits, The Permit is a magical piece of safety equipment. Bingo!


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  Reply # 1869558 20-Sep-2017 16:27
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Or in this case an exemption from safety!

 

 


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If there is a bright-side to all this then it is we get to see these visiting Wellington

 


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  Reply # 1869592 20-Sep-2017 17:26
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I take it Welly is refueled by sea (tankers) and can cope with the extra consumption?

 

 


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  Reply # 1869613 20-Sep-2017 17:37
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It's not a crisis, but it is elevated to be news by a breathless media, eager to drum up readership/sales/clicks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We don't have a housing crisis either? Defining something as a 'crisis' is subjective. Bur RNZ, which is non commercial and NZ owned by taxpayer, is also referring to it as a crisis.


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  Reply # 1869615 20-Sep-2017 17:40
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I take it Welly is refueled by sea (tankers) and can cope with the extra consumption?

 

 

 

AKL != *

 

WLG/CHC/DUD > AKL

 

:P

 

Direct to other ports and roaded or piped rest of way. Whereas AKL has the long range pipe for all 3 to their central holding

 

Lyttelton for instance holds at port, then pumps over the hill from holding tanks to more holding tanks at Woolston for road transport, while Diesel and A1 goes via road tanker direct from there http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5858277/Z-Energy-opens-Lyttelton-tanks 

 

 




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  Reply # 1869646 20-Sep-2017 18:37
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If there is a bright-side to all this then it is we get to see these visiting Wellington

 

 

Is that the 787-9?


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DjShadow:

 

If there is a bright-side to all this then it is we get to see these visiting Wellington

 

 

Is that the 787-9?

 

 

Yep. 777 yesterday

 

The AKL airport schedule shows diverts and where too. If you see a NZ6xxx to WLG its probably for gas for a week or so


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