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  Reply # 1868432 19-Sep-2017 10:21
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I think the real risk is the panic buyers would start to hoard fuel in AKL (not sure how they're going to hoard but hoarders always find a way!) emptying fuel stock faster than usual, causing more panic buying.


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  Reply # 1868434 19-Sep-2017 10:23
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Batman:

 

I think the real risk is the panic buyers would start to hoard fuel in AKL (not sure how they're going to hoard but hoarders always find a way!) emptying fuel stock faster than usual, causing more panic buying.

 

 

Wait until this happens, Auckland runs out of fuel and those here saying redundancy isn't need will have to reconsider...





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  Reply # 1868466 19-Sep-2017 11:35
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Has anyone noticed if the cost of petrol containers has just gone up in Auckland?





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  Reply # 1868478 19-Sep-2017 11:48
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MikeB4:

 

Could they start using Hamilton and bus folks through to Auckland or fly to other regions from there.

 

 

This isn't a solution because Hamilton's Jet-A1 is trucked in from Auckland.


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  Reply # 1868481 19-Sep-2017 11:51
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Well, media throwing a good spin on things. Making people panic by saying 4 stations out of 95. 

 

Z had to respond saying it was planned. Their filling tankers were detoured to other strategic busy locations instead of filling the smaller guys, and as a result they are now behind their delivery expectation

 

RNZAF are shipping their held reserves in via the NZDF (Govt) and higher loading rates being approved to get more trucks on the road


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  Reply # 1868490 19-Sep-2017 12:04
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Batman:

 

In New Zealand, the mentality is "it's never happened before, why are you worried?".

 

It's never happened before, she'll be right.

 

Even if it's happened once, they call it a 1 in a 100 (or other number) year event, and so she'll also be right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a combination of a modern kiwi attitude 1) "it will never happen to us", and 2) the free market being left to it's own devices.

 

The role of governments of old is to protect the strategic interests of a country (defence, police, energy supply, trade opportunities and transport links etc).

 

The free market is ruled by the dollar (the cheapest solution is best) and in this case a singe link with no back up system is obviously the cheapest.

 

Kiwi's are only interested in fixing something when it has already failed, hence we are fixing roads, but little else.

 

It's a good time to start thinking about other strategic things like our "just barely enough" privatise free market electricity system. We came close to real pain this winter with the dry South Island weather restricting electricity generation. We had to crank up Huntly which was mothballed only a few years ago. The coal mines near by were shut down and so we had to import coal from Indonesia to keep it going. We came uncomfortably close to a proper electricity shortage.


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Batman:

 

In New Zealand, the mentality is "it's never happened before, why are you worried?".

 

It's never happened before, she'll be right.

 

Even if it's happened once, they call it a 1 in a 100 (or other number) year event, and so she'll also be right.

 

 

 This is a combination of a modern kiwi attitude 1) "it will never happen to us", and 2) the free market being left to it's own devices.

 

The role of governments of old is to protect the strategic interests of a country (defence, police, energy supply, trade opportunities and transport links etc).

 

The free market is ruled by the dollar (the cheapest solution is best) and in this case a singe link with no back up system is obviously the cheapest.

 

Kiwi's are only interested in fixing something when it has already failed, hence we are fixing roads, but little else.

 

It's a good time to start thinking about other strategic things like our "just barely enough" privatise free market electricity system. We came close to real pain this winter with the dry South Island weather restricting electricity generation. We had to crank up Huntly which was mothballed only a few years ago. The coal mines near by were shut down and so we had to import coal from Indonesia to keep it going. We came uncomfortably close to a proper electricity shortage.

 

 

The problem isn't won't it's can't.  You would never get RMA approval for a second pipeline corridor.  Similarly, it's very difficult (and expensive) to get RMA approval for new renewable generation.  It's not market failure it's regulatory obstacles. 

 

We have stitched ourselves up in red tape to protect the environment. But the environment isn't in great shape and it's difficult to get approval to develop strategic infrastructure. Lose-lose.





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  Reply # 1868572 19-Sep-2017 13:36
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News said pipeline signs were overgrown. That's very basic maintenance if true. Wonder when they last had someone walk the pipe.

Also a guy in the news talking about kauri cowboys. Makes sense also.

As for the repair time. I understand it. It's probably related to the certifications required by the insurer and team and equipment logistics. If you want to solve that part, you need to increase local capability.

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  Reply # 1868573 19-Sep-2017 13:36
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tripper1000:

 

 

 

It's a good time to start thinking about other strategic things like our "just barely enough" privatise free market electricity system. We came close to real pain this winter with the dry South Island weather restricting electricity generation. We had to crank up Huntly which was mothballed only a few years ago. The coal mines near by were shut down and so we had to import coal from Indonesia to keep it going. We came uncomfortably close to a proper electricity shortage.

 

 

As opposed to the real one we had in 1992 when the Government controlled pretty much all generation under the Electricity Corporation of NZ....

 

or those of the 1950s when its was basically run as an arm of the government,

 

Whether NZ has power shortages is more a function of rainfall rather than the type of politics being practiced.....

 

 


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tripper1000:

 

 

 

It's a good time to start thinking about other strategic things like our "just barely enough" privatise free market electricity system. We came close to real pain this winter with the dry South Island weather restricting electricity generation. We had to crank up Huntly which was mothballed only a few years ago. The coal mines near by were shut down and so we had to import coal from Indonesia to keep it going. We came uncomfortably close to a proper electricity shortage.

 

 

What a load of crap. Can you please give me a source of this info? Huntly has not been mothballed. Two units have been decommissioned, two are still in service. Nothing special was done for this winter from any power stations (let alone recommissioning a mothballed unit/s). In fact, I would argue the free market delivered spot on in terms of balancing security of supply and using the correct pricing signals to ensure the scarcity of water was indicated well in advance of any crisis eventuating. We never came close to a proper electricity shortage, we only just touched the 2% chance of a crisis (source). That was on the back of some of the lowest 4 months of inflows since records began. Now that spring is here things are back to normal and things are back to normal :)

 

In terms of the pipeline issue. It is certainly a major, specially on election week. Probably couldn't be much of a worse thing to happen for National.


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  Reply # 1868600 19-Sep-2017 14:08
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gzt: News said pipeline signs were overgrown. That's very basic maintenance if true. Wonder when they last had someone walk the pipe.

 

While this news says otherwise

 

"Pipeline well marked - neighbour

 

A woman who farms on a neighbouring property to the site of the rupture said the line was well marked, with white posts and signs warning "no digging"."

 

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/339681/fuel-crisis-13-petrol-stations-now-without-95-octane

 

 




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  Reply # 1868602 19-Sep-2017 14:10
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Coil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Tim, is that supposed to show up to date repair work or are you stealing oil again?


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Batman:

 

Coil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Tim, is that supposed to show up to date repair work or are you stealing oil again?

 

 

 

 

Oil stealing again, Interesting images however for those curious.
Those are from the 80s. I am hunting for images of the current repair. Will post when sourced. Know some people on site so will see what I can do.


 

 





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  Reply # 1868606 19-Sep-2017 14:14
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Coil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where is this?

 

 

 

Is that the Pipeline when it was installed?

 

Obviously old photos (or not NZ)- not a skerrick of Hi-Vis to be seen.


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