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  #1884146 16-Oct-2017 10:27
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MikeAqua:Making the leaf available new with Japanese finance would have more impact on uptake by the general public.

 

promotional car interest rates in Japan are pretty much the same as they are here,

 

http://www.nissan.co.nz/Offers/Offers

 

2.9% fixed 36 month

 

 

 

http://www.nissan.co.jp/CREDIT/BVC/LEAF/

 

2.9% fixed 5 years, ( although there are few more wrinkles in the Japanese offer, such as requiring you to make extra payments in Bonus Salary months (July and December)

 

 

 

 


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  #1884691 17-Oct-2017 00:41
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Geektastic:

 

And if you do not live near the 10 spots?

 



You charge at home or on someone else's charging network (same as today).

But if you look at the map about 75% of Kiwis do live near one of those 10 charging spots.

These fast / super chargers are more about traveling than daily driving. When I'm around town I almost always plug in at home unless I've had a BIG day and been running around a lot. Like today....I drove the 140km to Te Kauwhata and back, then fast charged for 13 minutes on the North Shore back up to 80% and carried on with my errands.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As one of the 25% who doesn't (and probably won't for quite some time when you bear in mind similar rollouts such as fibre which we are not getting until 2026), no way would I cough up $120,000+ for a car which would be as much use to me as a chocolate fireguard. It's hard enough trying to find 98 unleaded for the V8 round here, much less fast charging for an electric car.

 

They would actually have to give me this car for zero dollars before I would drive it.






 
 
 
 


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  #1884697 17-Oct-2017 01:11
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As a former Tesla owner, the problem here is the car simply isn’t built well enough to justify the price. The materials and build quality are on a par with a $40-50k car. Irrespective of straight-line performance and fuelling costs, I simply don’t think the build quality is good enough for the $.

I was in Hong Kong last week, there are lots of Tesla’s, and I drove an X. This is what I would call a basic-level car, the doors are a gimmick and no more, and build quality hasn’t improved that I could see. The car drove fine, but inot $120k fine (I have no idea what an X goes for, but you get my point). I had the car for 30 minutes only, so not a proper test.

When the build quality improves, or the price-point drops to bring the car to it’s appropriate pricing level, then Tesla’s will be worth considering.




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  #1884879 17-Oct-2017 09:42
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BlinkyBill: As a former Tesla owner, the problem here is the car simply isn’t built well enough to justify the price. The materials and build quality are on a par with a $40-50k car. Irrespective of straight-line performance and fuelling costs, I simply don’t think the build quality is good enough for the $.

I was in Hong Kong last week, there are lots of Tesla’s, and I drove an X. This is what I would call a basic-level car, the doors are a gimmick and no more, and build quality hasn’t improved that I could see. The car drove fine, but inot $120k fine (I have no idea what an X goes for, but you get my point). I had the car for 30 minutes only, so not a proper test.

When the build quality improves, or the price-point drops to bring the car to it’s appropriate pricing level, then Tesla’s will be worth considering.

 

You have a good point when you consider materials and build quality. But, for an EV enthusiast, isn't the fact that the Teslas have superior pure electric range to other vehicles make them worth quite a lot more when compared to a comparable petrol $40-$50k car or a $60K pure electric Hyundai Ionic?

 

You could make the same comment about the BMW i3, which sells here for $87,000 new (or near new)! Do you think the i3 is worth $87,000, particularly when you compare it with a Tesla X? What do you think of the build quality of the i3?

 

However, even if you have a lot of money, I agree with you that anything you buy has to justify the price. Even a billionaire wouldn't pay $100 for a $5 icecream (or I wouldn't if was a billionaire)! But, for electric vehicles, we have to realise they are still at a very early stage and we have to pay a hefty premium to cover all the research and development costs. It's good that EV sales are growing rapidly even though there is a price premium to pay - at least some people care for the environment.

 

 




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  #1885094 17-Oct-2017 13:53
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However, even if you have a lot of money, I agree with you that anything you buy has to justify the price. Even a billionaire wouldn't pay $100 for a $5 icecream (or I wouldn't if was a billionaire)! But, for electric vehicles, we have to realise they are still at a very early stage and we have to pay a hefty premium to cover all the research and development costs. It's good that EV sales are growing rapidly even though there is a price premium to pay - at least some people care for the environment. 

 



That's pretty much it. If you want to have a zero CO2 emissions car and you can't do your own conversion.....and you want one with 500km+ range....then you buy a Tesla. 

You're paying a premium to be zero CO2 emissions. If you can affrod it, you buy a Tesla. If you can't, you buy a LEAF. 

I drove my LEAF almost 600km yesterday. They definitely get the job done. 





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  #1885118 17-Oct-2017 14:21
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MikeAqua:Making the leaf available new with Japanese finance would have more impact on uptake by the general public.

 

promotional car interest rates in Japan are pretty much the same as they are here,

 

 

I think that's because it's Japanese finance being made available for new car purchases.

 

I've seen Yamaha at 2%.  Honda have been as low as 1%. 

 

For comparison GEM are recently advertising a ~10% rate aimed at used car buyers. 





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  #1885126 17-Oct-2017 14:40
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Indeed - the Model 3 pricing is heading in the right direction... would be good to see some other form factors eg. SUV / hatchback.

 

We'd seriously consider a 7 seater EV with reasonable range and in the sub-100K range... but for now - prepared to wait - our Prius V works well for now.

 

 

You would be able to get a used Tesla Model S from the UK for that price..


 
 
 
 


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  #1885128 17-Oct-2017 14:43
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If you can affrod it, you buy a Tesla. If you can't, you buy a LEAF. 

I drove my LEAF almost 600km yesterday. They definitely get the job done. 

 

 

I think the Leaf is one of the ugliest cars around, but it drives nicely and having it for a month really changed my mind about the car.

 

Its not any more beautiful, but it is a car I will consider next time I am car shopping.


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  #1885131 17-Oct-2017 14:47
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I just don't get batteries. To make batteries last, don't charge to 100%, don't fast charge, don't drain it. But you really want to do all the above! (Apart from drain it and get stranded lol)




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  #1885136 17-Oct-2017 14:53
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You're paying a premium to be zero CO2 emissions.

 

I still struggle with this.  Battery power is inherently simple and should be cheaper to buy than ICE equivalents.

 

At the small end that holds true.  A battery weed-wacker is cheaper than a small petrol one. 

 

But even in lawn mowers, battery powered is more expensive.  Our 4-stroke petrol mower is wearing out its rings and I was looking at battery-mower options last weekend.

 

A battery powered mower costs twice as much.  I calculated the difference to be about 7 years worth of mower fuel.

 

I think I'll just re-sleeve the old mower engine.





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  #1885223 17-Oct-2017 17:21
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Ah but if it's cheap it's not cool and more importantly, not a very good product so nobody will want to buy it





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  #1885321 17-Oct-2017 22:24

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I still struggle with this.  Battery power is inherently simple and should be cheaper to buy than ICE equivalents.

 

At the small end that holds true.  A battery weed-wacker is cheaper than a small petrol one. 

 

 

 

Energy density of Li-ion batteries is 0.36 to 0.875MJ/Kg Petrol has an energy density of approx 45MJ/Kg. Even if you assume that the petrol engine is only 10% efficient - you still have a far higher amount of delivered energy per KG. So it is simple physics as to why batteries are only now making inroads into applications that were previously only possible with petrol.

 

If your lawnmower only needed to operate for 5min to mow your whole lawn. You could use a 7AH gell type lead acid battery to run an electric lawnmower. (Same battery that is commonly used for alarm system backup power) Of course such a mower would be useless - 5 min mowing then 5 to 10 hours charging.

 

When considering buying electric garden tools - try to replace 2 stroke petrol with electric first. As 2 stroke has lower efficiency, higher emissions as they burn oil as part of normal operation, poor torque at high engine speeds.






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