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  Reply # 1952845 7-Feb-2018 11:19
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MikeAqua:

 

I see the ethical-choice dilemmas posited for autonomous cars as as a red herring. 

 

IMO no company will programme a car to deliberately risk sacrificing its occupants, for any reason.  This is because the first time a car implemented that approach guidance, its manufacturer would be sued into oblivion, by survivors or their relatives.  I reality such situation will arise rarely.  Some reasons (all conjecture):

 

Autonomous cars will be operated more slowly and highly defensively (in particular when sharing road space with non-autonomous vehicles).

 

Cars will eventually share their locations wirelessly.

 

Autonomous cars will have greater ability to anticipate risk of collisions and avoid them.

 

Autonomous cars will have greater ability to decelerate and manoeuvre and could be built to undertake mitigating actions like deploying external air-bags.

 

IMO where an autonomous car cannot avoid collision, it will be programmed to stay on the roadway (moving laterally only if it can do so without risking another collision) and to undertake avoidance and mitigation operations.  This happens to a limited extent now. 

 

If I brake very hard in my 2015 Mazda 3 (not autonomous), it activates SRS, activates the hazard lights, and pre-tensions the seatbelts.  Some cars will apply the brakes themselves.

 

As to the cat ... an autonomous car could from a safety perspective disregard very small animals like cats.  From a safety perspective, why even risk whiplash from heavy braking to avoid fluffy? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In short, be better drivers than us. Better drivers than a very good human driver in fact.

 

I think its illegal/against road rules to avoid a cat/dog and cause an accident?


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  Reply # 1952854 7-Feb-2018 11:44
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Autonomous cars will also have a very good record of the incident and logs/video/sensor data will (should) clearly show who is at fault, i would suspect an autonomous car would be able to prove 99 times out of 100 that it wasn't at fault.   

 

People's recollection of events are often vague at time of an accident, you wont be able to argue with recorded evidence.   

 

 


 
 
 
 


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Autonomous cars will also have a very good record of the incident and logs/video/sensor data will (should) clearly show who is at fault, i would suspect an autonomous car would be able to prove 99 times out of 100 that it wasn't at fault.   

 

People's recollection of events are often vague at time of an accident, you wont be able to argue with recorded evidence.   

 

 

 

 

Yes, and phone home if any new situations arose, to allow for continual improvements to the code


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  Reply # 1952905 7-Feb-2018 12:58
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We'll be the final generation that need to learn to drive themselves. Inside a decade large portions of the developed world will have support for and a growing number of autonomous transport solutions.


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We'll be the final generation that need to learn to drive themselves. Inside a decade large portions of the developed world will have support for and a growing number of autonomous transport solutions.

 

 

No hope of that. In a decade EV may be common. It will be a decade before it has developed enough to be safe, and the laws/insurance gets its head around it, and infrastructure supports it. Until then it will be airport vehicles in a physical barrier transportway


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  Reply # 1954117 9-Feb-2018 10:04
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Expanding on the Autonomous car theme, i can see inner city car parking buildings being a thing of the past. If you can send your car home or to a destination of your choice. Why would you leave it in a car park paying $5-20 per hour. 


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  Reply # 1954118 9-Feb-2018 10:06
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airports in particular that like to rort passengers with outrageous car parking fees.  


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  Reply # 1954123 9-Feb-2018 10:17
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Expanding on the Autonomous car theme, i can see inner city car parking buildings being a thing of the past. If you can send your car home or to a destination of your choice. Why would you leave it in a car park paying $5-20 per hour. 

 

and then you get to the "Nirvana" question of why would you send your car home at all...

 

Why not send it out "ubering" while you were not using it,

 

Which then leads to the question of "if there are all these Autonomous vehicles owned by someone else for hire out there,

 

Why do you need to own a car in the first place,

 

but this is not something I am expecting for at least 10 years...


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  Reply # 1954140 9-Feb-2018 10:51
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Indeed, I think this will be likely in countries where car ownership is low compare to population size. eg China, India, Singapore

 

Generally the culture in NZ is that everyone feels they needs to have their own car.  


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  Reply # 1954141 9-Feb-2018 10:53
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Expanding on the Autonomous car theme, i can see inner city car parking buildings being a thing of the past. If you can send your car home or to a destination of your choice. Why would you leave it in a car park paying $5-20 per hour. 

 

That doubles traffic - the car does two return trips instead of one.  At peak times, roads would be congested in both directions.

 

IMO it's still better if people use public transport or walk.





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  Reply # 1954148 9-Feb-2018 11:08
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and then you get to the "Nirvana" question of why would you send your car home at all...

 

Why not send it out "ubering" while you were not using it,

 

Which then leads to the question of "if there are all these Autonomous vehicles owned by someone else for hire out there,

 

Why do you need to own a car in the first place,

 

but this is not something I am expecting for at least 10 years...

 

 

I cleaned rental car industry for years and I have seen how people treat cars that aren't their own.  As a result I would never contemplate letting a stranger use my car, because they could damage dirty or stink-up the car in numerous ways.

 

I would still want to own my own car because when I want to go to the 4 Square for avocados halfway through making dinner, I want to leave now.  I don't want to have to order a car and wait for it to arrive.  Ditto wildfires, tsunami and medical emergencies.  Sometimes you just need to go now.

 

Of course autonomous cars may be so expensive that co-op ownership is the only option for many people.





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  Reply # 1954897 10-Feb-2018 18:48
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There is some experimental evidence that just a few autonomous cars can improve traffic flow. What an amazing result.

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"GM and Cruise reveal their fourth-generation, steering wheel-free Cruise AV"

[url]https://techcrunch.com/2018/01/11/gm-and-cruise-reveal-their-fourth-generation-steering-wheel-free-cruise-av/[url]

"GM and Cruise are making progress on their plan to deploy autonomous vehicles on roads for the public: Today, it’s showing off its fourth-generation Cruise Autonomous Vehicle (AV), which comes just a few short months after it first revealed its third-generation vehicle.

The fourth generation car is production-ready, according to GM’s Dan Ammann, who discussed the new vehicle on a press call announcing the news today. This version is really remarkable, though, because it lacks brake and gas pedals, and any kind of manual steering wheel.

Cruise isn’t just showing this of as a concept of what’s to come – the company is submitting a petition to the National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration to be able to actually deploy it in 2019, the year when GM and Cruise revealed they wanted to start operating their commercial service late last year. GM is asking for exceptions to rules around cars on roads that are specific to having humans at the wheel, and detailing their workarounds and safety measures. The exception they’re asking for would allow them to operate up to 2,600 vehicles in 2019, if granted."


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  Reply # 1959885 18-Feb-2018 13:44
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Cruise chose the challenging urban environment of San Francisco, because it was hard, and hopes their AI will learn faster. While other companies are using smaller, calmer cities.



A motorcycle collided with a GM Cruise, the self-driving car.

But it was the motorcycles fault and the accident was at 27 KPH, 17 MPH.

In two lane slow speed traffic, the Cruise was attempting to merge left between two cars. However the leading car made a sudden stop, so the Cruise returned to its own lane.

A motorcycle was "lane-splitting" by riding between two lanes. It pulled into the space used by the Cruise, before the Cruise had completely left the lane.

When the Cruise pulled back into its lane, the motorcycle grazed it, and fell over.

There was a different accident, but the other driver was at fault and fled the accident, a hit-and-run.

https://sf.curbed.com/2017/12/21/16805260/gm-cruise-accident-injury-san-francisco

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