Car crossing footpath v mobility scooter?

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MikeAqua

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#1973149 12-Mar-2018 12:55

Batman: Not many people know this but I've been ticketed for driving through Amber lights. That's apparently illegal too. The insurance person did not believe me.

Was this because the officer deemed you could have stopped but didn't?

That's my understanding of the law.

Mike

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shk292

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#1973176 12-Mar-2018 13:25

MikeAqua:

Technically illegal to angle park back in.

Not angle parks, perpendicular either side of a covered walkway - like this except the NZ ones are usually wider and have fewer cars reversed up to them:

https://goo.gl/images/K93mJp

Bung

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#1973178 12-Mar-2018 13:27

Road User Rules 3.2(4)
While a steady yellow signal in the form of a disc is displayed,—
(a)
a driver facing the signal must not enter the controlled area while the signal is displayed unless the driver’s vehicle is, when the signal first appears, so close to the controlled area that it cannot safely be stopped before entering the area:

It's can you stop when it first appears not is it still yellow when you get there. You may be forced to keep going because the car tailgating you is not stopping.

SheriffNZ

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#1973222 12-Mar-2018 13:54

Bung: Road User Rules 3.2(4)
While a steady yellow signal in the form of a disc is displayed,—
(a)
a driver facing the signal must not enter the controlled area while the signal is displayed unless the driver’s vehicle is, when the signal first appears, so close to the controlled area that it cannot safely be stopped before entering the area:

It's can you stop when it first appears not is it still yellow when you get there. You may be forced to keep going because the car tailgating you is not stopping.

A lot of people don't like me safely stopping at yellow lights which they would have gone straight through had I not stopped in front of them.

Yellow light running is endemic in Christchurch.

MikeAqua

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#1973252 12-Mar-2018 14:28

shk292:

MikeAqua:

Technically illegal to angle park back in.

Not angle parks, perpendicular either side of a covered walkway - like this except the NZ ones are usually wider and have fewer cars reversed up to them:

That's still an angle park - the angle is 90 degrees.

Mike

shk292

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#1973279 12-Mar-2018 14:59

MikeAqua:

That's still an angle park - the angle is 90 degrees.

Well technically, parallel is at an angle of 0 degrees, but I wouldn't interpret a perpendicular parking space as an angle space and the reasons why you don't reverse into a traditional angled space don't apply to a perpendicular space - there's quite a good explanation here: https://www.nzmca.org.nz/news/angle-parking/?p=8&g=1

If you have to nose-in to anything up to 89 degrees and reverse into anything greater than 91 degrees, surely you can do either for a perpendicular park? In any case, does the Land Transport (Road User) Act apply in a privately-owned car park? And if it does, how often do law enforcement agents patrol them to give out infringement notices? I think on balance, nosing into such spaces shows a lack of intelligence rather than an awareness of the law

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#1973294 12-Mar-2018 15:23

Why do you think the lemmings in a supermarket carpark are any less likely to walk behind you when you are parking than when you are leaving? The real solution is to give your passenger an aerosol powered air horn and have them supervise your reversing.

MikeAqua

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#1973297 12-Mar-2018 15:27

shk292:

MikeAqua:

That's still an angle park - the angle is 90 degrees.

Well technically, parallel is at an angle of 0 degrees,

Techncially it's illegal to park facing traffic, whether parallel or angle parked. And yes in mathematical terms parallel is an angle, but it isn't 'at an angle' to the roadway.

I know that in Nelson's main carparks, which are all 90 degree parks, tickets can be issued to people who back. I know this because I got one.

Also illegal to park parallel facing into the traffic.

I'm unsure to what extent this could/would be enforced in a supermarket, but for example speed limits can be enforced in any place to which the public has access.

Mike

RunningMan

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#1973298 12-Mar-2018 15:29

SheriffNZ:

Yellow light running is endemic in Christchurch.

Yellow light running is endemic in ~~Christchurch.~~ New Zealand.

There - fixed it for you.

MikeAqua

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#1973314 12-Mar-2018 15:49

RunningMan:

Yellow light running is endemic in Christchurch. New Zealand.

There - fixed it for you.

I have to say, ChCh takes the art form of Amber gambling to whole new level.

Mike

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#1973337 12-Mar-2018 15:59

MikeAqua:

RunningMan:

Yellow light running is endemic in Christchurch. New Zealand.

There - fixed it for you.

I have to say, ChCh takes the art form of Amber gambling to whole new level.

Umm ... and for AUckland, red light.

RunningMan

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#1973403 12-Mar-2018 16:51

But to run the red light, you've already ignored the yellow...

nunz

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#1978527 16-Mar-2018 11:23

Bung: Road User Rules 3.2(4)
While a steady yellow signal in the form of a disc is displayed,—
(a)
a driver facing the signal must not enter the controlled area while the signal is displayed unless the driver’s vehicle is, when the signal first appears, so close to the controlled area that it cannot safely be stopped before entering the area:

It's can you stop when it first appears not is it still yellow when you get there. You may be forced to keep going because the car tailgating you is not stopping.

There are two sets of road signs painted on the road before traffic lights. By rule of thumb is that if i am outside both sets of signs i can stop on amber so do. If I am inside then I am a hazard trying to stop that fast, either because am being tail gated or have something in the car that might be adversely affected by what is almost na emergency brake if you are that close.

I've trained my wife out of stopping on amber inside the two signs when I am in the car as 1 - it hurts like hell with my disability and 2 - she hasn't time to check for dipsticks tailgating her and stop in that short a space. We both now find the double sign before lights indicator is a good one.

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