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  Reply # 1985832 30-Mar-2018 09:18
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If only there were dedicated cycle lanes for them to cycle in so you wouldn't have to "pull out or swerve around them".......

 

 

But those dedicated cycle lanes come at the expense of roads lanes or already hard to find car parks! If someone could magically take cyclists off the roads WITHOUT doing anything to further reduce the space available for cars, I'd happily support it. Unfortunately that's not the reality, it comes to "room for cars" or "room for cyclists" and I'm going to pick cars every day of the week.

 

 

the whole point is about removing vehicles off the road, which ends up making your commute faster.

 

yes you hate cyclists, but they are a necessary evil who make your commute less congested.

 

 

I don't want to remove vehicles from the roads. I want councils/government to provide infrastructure robust enough that everyone who wants to can drive a car. If I built a server/network infrastructure that ground to a halt under peak load every day, and said the solution was to stop people using the infrastructure, I'd get laughed at right before being fired and/or committed to an insane asylum. They need to engineer the roading system to still run well under maximum load, with sufficient capacity and redundancy to allow for issues.





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  Reply # 1985927 30-Mar-2018 13:24
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Lias: I don't want to remove vehicles from the roads. I want councils/government to provide infrastructure robust enough that everyone who wants to can drive a car.

I'd prefer to see faster rail or similar to encourage use of that infrastructure instead and development along those corridors. Development along those corridors is already occuring and will increase the use of that infrastructure anyway so it makes sense to me to upgrade it. I do agree the roading network needs attention and future planning.

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1986184 30-Mar-2018 20:31
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Some of this traffic congestion is also caused by high house prices. As people can't buy or rent close to their workplace. And if it takes you over an hour to get to work by car, it is probably too great a distance to cycle there instead.





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  Reply # 1986191 30-Mar-2018 20:53
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I hope congestion pricing in Auckland goes ahead.


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  Reply # 1986194 30-Mar-2018 21:01
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That's a good point. The bridge walk/cycle path could be significant for some. Is that going ahead?

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  Reply # 1986208 30-Mar-2018 22:08
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This seems the most pointless cottage industry running the machines to move the barriers twice a day and back. I suspect $M's and perhaps up to 50 staff at a guess...

 

Why? The bridge is fed by a max of 4 lanes both North and South, they act as choke points so having 5 lanes in the priority direction on the bridge itself is of no benefit.

 

Meanwhile on the low priority direction, the huge amount of lane-changing caused by the 3 lane constriction (plus the lanes don't line up, they are up to 2 lanes out of alignment), and consequent capacity change over the bridge does cause its own additional level of congestion and traffic delay.

 

 

 

Thoughts?

 

 

in melbourne the middle lanes' direction is indicated by a light arrow above, which reverses lane traffic depending on - and i am guessing, time of day.

 

doesn't matter if it's a tunnel, same thing. there is a light that tells you which lanes are open to which way traffic


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  Reply # 1986237 31-Mar-2018 08:37
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Lias: I don't want to remove vehicles from the roads. I want councils/government to provide infrastructure robust enough that everyone who wants to can drive a car.

I'd prefer to see faster rail or similar to encourage use of that infrastructure instead and development along those corridors. Development along those corridors is already occuring and will increase the use of that infrastructure anyway so it makes sense to me to upgrade it. I do agree the roading network needs attention and future planning.

Rail is already fast enough and will improve with the CRL. The problem is getting from the rail station to home or work.

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  Reply # 1986285 31-Mar-2018 10:44
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Roads are like garages and hard drives, if there is capacity, they will fill up.

 

Here is just one example describing this problems of induced demand. LMGTFY. Building more roads is not the solution.

 

 

Roads are like garages and hard drives, if there is capacity, they can fill up. To say they will always fill up is not proved just by repeating that slogan.

 

Most roads I drive on are never at capacity so it is easy to show that the existence of a road does not cause it to fill to capacity.

 

The difference is demand. Two options to meet that demand are building more roads or increasing the capacity of existing roads.

 

The solution you seem to be talking about is not a solution to prevent roads filling up. If it is a solution to prevent more roads being built then necessarily "building more roads is not the solution."


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  Reply # 1986349 31-Mar-2018 12:50
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kryptonjohn: Rail is already fast enough and will improve with the CRL. The problem is getting from the rail station to home or work.

Comparing to similar services there is some room for incremental improvements knocking off a lot of time in total.

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  Reply # 1986362 31-Mar-2018 13:27
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Nope - not yet.

 

NZTA are constantly monitoring traffic flows and travel times and also modelling for growth.

 

And at the current time the barrier still provides benefits to overall throughput on the bridge and travel times on the surrounding network.


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  Reply # 1986372 31-Mar-2018 13:47
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If only there were dedicated cycle lanes for them to cycle in so you wouldn't have to "pull out or swerve around them".......

 

 

Isn't the purpose of SkyPath to sort that issue on the harbour bridge?


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  Reply # 1986410 31-Mar-2018 15:43
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Skypath: The Government has asked NZTA to fund and deliver both SkyPath and SeaPath. NZTA have advised the Government that their target delivery date would be late 2020.

That is going to be so massive. They say it will provide the equivalent of an additional lane in peak time compared to vehicle use. Even half that would be well worth it.

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  Reply # 1986421 31-Mar-2018 16:14
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This will be great for lower north shorites.  I cycle from Titirangi to the CBD on my ebike daily and it takes only 35 minutes door to door; compared to an hour in the car and 1 1/2 hours on the bus.  The Skypath will be fantastic for connecting in to the CBD cycle network for those that want to use it and it will be quicker than the car!


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  Reply # 1986423 31-Mar-2018 16:25
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Part of Wellingtons problem is that the motorway just stops after the terrace tunnel. So adding in one of these lane changing systems may or may not work, but it is likely just to move the choke point. They needed to complete the two tunnels, but it will still end up in the middle of the city, when it should link out to the airport. Apparently Wellingtons roads during peak time are some of the most conjested in the world according to an article I read. The did install at get expense , and variable speed system, which was supposed to prevent lots of stops and starts during peak time along the motorway between Wellington and Petone, but I haven't noticed anything. The real solution is for it to be 3 laned each way, but the road is somewhat landlocked between a hill and the rail line and sea. Rail is okay, but it is very slow outside peak times. I don't really know if there is a long term vision for roading in Wellington, but not much has changed over the last few decades. Imagine the terrace motorway being built today, where it ripped through an entire community. They did it in part from the inner city bypass through te aro a decade or so ago, although that was supposed to be far larger with elevated roads, rather than the mess it is currently.


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  Reply # 1986443 31-Mar-2018 17:15
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Can't believe someone brought up packed trains in London/Hong Kong/Singapore etc. 

 

1. The density of those metropolitan areas is WAY higher than Auckland.

 

2. Lets take away public transport in those cities, they can all drive to work or study instead! 

 

Wow.. just wow. 


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