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## ANglEAUT

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#1999020 18-Apr-2018 23:38

tripper1000: You need to be doing higher daily km's to recover your costs. At 25km per day, you will certainly save on fuel, but ...

According to flipthefleet.org, I save ±\$350 on fuel while driving ±2500km per month.

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## ANglEAUT

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#1999024 18-Apr-2018 23:46

timmmay: Has anyone done / found a financial analysis of the cost of ownership of an electric car like the Nissan Leaf vs the cost of a comparable petrol car? ...

Edmunds in the States have a good reputation. Does this answer your question?

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## timmmay

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#1999075 19-Apr-2018 08:32

Looks interesting thanks lcl, I'll have a good look on the weekend.

## tripper1000

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#1999204 19-Apr-2018 11:15

IcI:

tripper1000: You need to be doing higher daily km's to recover your costs. At 25km per day, you will certainly save on fuel, but ...

According to flipthefleet.org, I save ±\$350 on fuel while driving ±2500km per month.

O.P. isn't doing 2,500km per month so savings won't be that spectacular.

O.P.'s commute is 25km = 500km per month (or 750km per month if they also do 25km per day on weekends). 500km at 12 litres per km = 41 litres @ \$2/L = \$81 per month in petrol.

vs a Leaf @ 7km per Kw: 500km @ 7km/kw = 71 kw @ \$0.25 = \$17.75 on electricity.

O.P. would save ~\$63 per month on fuel.

O.P would also save approx. \$80 per year on Rego and approx. \$300 per year on basic (oil/filter only) servicing, bringing monthly savings up to approx. \$94 per month.

Once RUC resume in 2021, savings are going to be less. At the current rate of \$61 per 1,000km, monthly savings drop back to \$63

O.P. would now have to decide how much it would cost to trade their ICE and weather the savings makes it worth while.

Edit: Improving the tone.

## ANglEAUT

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#1999272 19-Apr-2018 12:43

tripper1000: ... Edit: Improving the tone.

Thank you for that.

I purposefully highlighted the sentence 'You need to be doing ...' to show that my high usage does bring savings. My post was more aimed at those others that have the same question, but do travel further in a month.

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## tripper1000

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#1999606 19-Apr-2018 22:15

Gotcha.

For some reason, initially I completely missed that you were talking about your own experience.

For similar logic to yours I didn't take the whole post down - the numbers gives people a glimpse of costs and benefits etc.

## Batman

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#2003185 27-Apr-2018 07:22

I have to say with Labour's policies, there is a big hidden message to everyone.

While the petrol taxes keep piling up (who says they're going to stop at the latest tax), the EV owners and getting a free ride to *Auckland's new infrastructure developments.

It's robbing Peter (ICE owners) to give to Paul (EV owners).

Very clever.

*Haven't processed the effect for non Aucklanders ...

Involuntary autocorrect in operation on mobile device. Apologies in advance.

## sbiddle

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#2003187 27-Apr-2018 07:35

And the RUC exemption is in place until 31st Dec 2021

## old3eyes

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#2003226 27-Apr-2018 08:32

sbiddle:

And the RUC exemption is in place until 31st Dec 2021

That's still a long way off. But then again it's most likely before I get fiber..

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## Dulouz

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#2003227 27-Apr-2018 08:33

sbiddle:

And the RUC exemption is in place until 31st Dec 2021

The site says 'Extending the Road User Charges (RUC) exemption on light vehicles until they make up two percent of the light vehicles fleet'. I interpreted that they could charge RUC once the fleet meets the 2% mark.

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## kryptonjohn

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#2003239 27-Apr-2018 08:44

timmmay:

Personally I already have a 2003 Corolla, which is fine, but I'd like something less than 5 years old to have newer safety features. I'd probably go Nissan as they seem good quality but cheaper.

I wouldn't write off the car value after 5 years, but I would take into account the cost of replacing the battery pack.

Our petrol guzzling '06 NZ new Toyota Prado cost us ~ \$35k in 2011 and looks like it's still worth ~ \$18k today. Only lost around half in 7 years. Toyotas are slow to write down to zero!

## tripper1000

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#2003291 27-Apr-2018 09:00

Batman:

While the petrol taxes keep piling up (who says they're going to stop at the latest tax), the EV owners and getting a free ride to *Auckland's new infrastructure developments.

It's robbing Peter (ICE owners) to give to Paul (EV owners).

This is true. EV owners should not celebrate too loudly when their ICE brothers get hit with increased taxes ("not new taxes" - where are those Tui Billboards now?) because the same amount of tax will eventually be extracted from EV as well - it's only a question of when. Public transport and roads are equally expensive to run regardless of the fuel used to propel private vehicles so EV's will eventually be taxed equally heavily as ICE cars.

## DataCraft

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#2003302 27-Apr-2018 09:23

kryptonjohn:

timmmay:

Personally I already have a 2003 Corolla, which is fine, but I'd like something less than 5 years old to have newer safety features. I'd probably go Nissan as they seem good quality but cheaper.

I wouldn't write off the car value after 5 years, but I would take into account the cost of replacing the battery pack.

Our petrol guzzling '06 NZ new Toyota Prado cost us ~ \$35k in 2011 and looks like it's still worth ~ \$18k today. Only lost around half in 7 years. Toyotas are slow to write down to zero!

Whats your rego and mileage ill give u a eValuation on it if you want?

## wellygary

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#2003310 27-Apr-2018 09:35

Batman:

I have to say with Labour's policies, there is a big hidden message to everyone.

While the petrol taxes keep piling up (who says they're going to stop at the latest tax), the EV owners and getting a free ride to *Auckland's new infrastructure developments.

It's robbing Peter (ICE owners) to give to Paul (EV owners).

Very clever.

The cleverness of it depends on you viewpoint,

Traditionally Labour's support base is those that are less well off, and have less ability to spend extra \$1000s on a car...

## tdgeek

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#2003312 27-Apr-2018 09:39

I dont get the issue with the fuel tax. Its actually a road tax. If its a problem, tell the Govt of the day, that our roads and congestion are fine, so cancel the tax. Truth be known, its being billed now as it was not billed a small amount over time in the past, applies to both Govts

Im in ChCh, the council here wants it as well now.

As to EV, they want to encourage them, later they will pay

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