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  Reply # 2002371 25-Apr-2018 15:37
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KiwiSurfer:

 

My big issue with speeding tickets is that the current transport policing policy seems to be based on the idea speeding it is the singular direct cause of road deaths.

 

I don't dispute that speeding makes the outcomes of accidents worse—but I suggest speeding isn't usually the root cause the accident itself. For instance a driver might change lanes without indicating and ensuring the lane they're changing to has enough room for their car causing a major accident. Speeding increases the impact (e.g. # of deaths, extend of injuries, etc) of the accident—but did not cause it (and in fact the driver that caused the accident may not have been speeding in the first place).

 

I'd much rather see more effort being put into root cause prevention. Policing speeding seems to do very little to reduce the overall number of accidents—and only seems to lessen the impacts of said accidents which would most likely have occurred regardless of driving speeds. The reduction in deaths is often offset by increases in injuries suggesting that accidents aren't really decreasing overall.

 

My other issue is that what's easy to measure is often overused as a measure. Speeding is easy to measure. Other, more serious, driving behaviors is difficult to measure. So the predictable outcome is to focus on speeding. Cheaper and easier to set up automatic speed traps than it is to trap the sort driving behaviors that actually do cause accidents.

 

I personally would like to see police have access to more tools to detect a wider variety of poor driving—not just a narrow focus on speeding.

 

 

Good post. I agree speeding is probably focused on because it is the easiest to police. I don't know what the statistics on accident types and causes are, or if they exist, but anecdotally there seems to have been a significant number of fatalities in the media recently because someone was on the wrong side of the road. If you have a head-on you will probably die, even if you are going half the speed limit.

 

On another note, something I read many years ago has left a lasting impression on me. If every car was required to have a sharp, pointed blade protruding out of the steering wheel and pointed at the driver's chest, the accident rate would plummet overnight. Accidents happen because modern cars make people feel too safe, so they take more chances.

 

 





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  Reply # 2002375 25-Apr-2018 15:43
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KiwiSurfer:

 

Now I generally just stay behind slow vehicles and wait for the next passing lane and overtake then (often in tandem with 10-15+ other cars!).

 

 

Me too.  I just can't be bothered any more - even if you do get past one, there's probably going to to be another one just ahead, then another...

 

I do wonder if there's an increase in some types of road accidents due to drivers becoming so frustrated and bored they eventually lose the plot, the will to live, and just let rip.


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  Reply # 2002550 25-Apr-2018 22:08
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I always exceed the speed limit while overtaking including on passing lanes.  This is to reduce time exposed to danger, but also to make sure I give people behind a chance to overtake too if they deem it safe to do so. There is a speed I always stay below, but I'm not going into that on here innocent

 

I intensely despise people who overtake so slowly they use almost the entire passing lane.  Or trucks who use the entire lane to pass another truck while a dozen cars are stuck behind them. yell

 

 

I agree with you on that, but I'm not convinced a cop would - in fact I'm of the opinion that some cops - if you tried to explain that it was for safety - would take it out on you just for spite.

 

OTOH my (bad) recollections hence sometimes low expectation of road police cops was from when I was young, I'm reasonably sure they'd throw the book at you for minor things - when they'd have probably let an older person off - especially if driving a "respectable" vehicle.

 

 

 

 

Whilst it has not happened to me, I can assure you, it does happen and often. I have seen people pulled over and I know a fair number of people also ticketed for 110 in a passing lane. 

 

Pity they didn't ping the drivers who were so far below the speed limit before the lane nor the ones who speed up when it comes to a passing lane and then return to sub limit speeds when it's over, to prevent people passing them.

 

 


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  Reply # 2002553 25-Apr-2018 22:13
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I do wonder if there's an increase in some types of road accidents due to drivers becoming so frustrated and bored they eventually lose the plot, the will to live, and just let rip.

 

 

I'd say so, I have felt that frustration myself. My 15 year old nephew reminded me of this as it was happening and I was looking for the next available passable space. Made me reconsider at the time, and many times since. I am sure he made me a safer driver. 

 

I believe people with a lack of confidence in driving cause a significant number of accidents. I also think that it should be included in all driver tests, defensive driving courses. National would have done better to have promised that instead of a second language during their campaign.


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  Reply # 2002555 25-Apr-2018 22:33
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Can’t believe how long and off topic this thread seems to have gone. Back to your original question about the detector going off in spurts like that. I believe it’s caused by the adaptive cruise controls in many new cars. I have same issue.

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  Reply # 2002605 26-Apr-2018 07:50
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BuzzLightyear: Can’t believe how long and off topic this thread seems to have gone. Back to your original question about the detector going off in spurts like that. I believe it’s caused by the adaptive cruise controls in many new cars. I have same issue.

 

I recall in the 'olden days' when I was in the force that we had lots of fun when operating mufti-cars and following vehicles with radar detectors.  Turning the radar function on and off again and watching the driver in front get pissed off with his detector going off all the time....ahhh good times. 

 

Adaptive cruise control is not new.  A quick scan of the net suggests that blind spot and other vicinity detector systems also cause this, and with the push for safer vehicles and more technology it's not going to stop there     I am surprised that the makers of radar detectors have not come up with a way to get around the false triggers yet, but I suspect it's going to be a a real cat and mouse chase to keep ahead.  Appears some brands already have a 'fix'.    

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a28079/how-new-car-technology-is-forcing-radar-detectors-to-be-more-accurate/

 

 

 

 

 

 





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  Reply # 2002625 26-Apr-2018 08:36
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I have a Passport Max in my car. I get regular Ka band radar from police cars but in almost two years only one laser alert.

Most vehicle anti collision and cruise control systems use K band radar rather than laser I think.





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  Reply # 2002626 26-Apr-2018 08:38
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Fred99:

KiwiSurfer:


Now I generally just stay behind slow vehicles and wait for the next passing lane and overtake then (often in tandem with 10-15+ other cars!).



Me too.  I just can't be bothered any more - even if you do get past one, there's probably going to to be another one just ahead, then another...


I do wonder if there's an increase in some types of road accidents due to drivers becoming so frustrated and bored they eventually lose the plot, the will to live, and just let rip.



Those would be bad drivers, whose impatience is a liability.





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  Reply # 2002639 26-Apr-2018 09:17
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Fred99:

 

Journeyman:

 

Amazing how this thread degenerated into judgmentalism.

 

 

I'm not even slightly surprised...

 

It's a divisive issue - speeding is a major contributory cause of road deaths but according to popular opinion "it's just revenue gathering".

 

 

It's not revenue gathering. It's "target meeting". The cops are expressly not using the word quota for the number of infringement notices issued but admit to setting targets for same.

 

So they will set up speed traps not necessarily where there is a hazard, but where there is likely to be speeding - such as an overtaking opportunity area.

 

The biggest contributor to road deaths is non wearing of safety belts, but difficulty in visually spotting that means little enforcement effort in that area.

 

 


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  Reply # 2002641 26-Apr-2018 09:22
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Geektastic: I have a Passport Max in my car. I get regular Ka band radar from police cars but in almost two years only one laser alert.

Most vehicle anti collision and cruise control systems use K band radar rather than laser I think.

 

 

 

Lasers are generally directed at a reflective solid object (The number plate) rather than the windscreen.
This is why you put jammers and detectors on your plate surrounds. Worked a treat for me.
I'd hear the cops targeting me and the beam would hit you and few times and the detector would squeal. Might brush past you for a second or track you. Best place for it was the harbor bridge southbound. Always one there looking through his laser. 





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  Reply # 2002643 26-Apr-2018 09:25
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Fred99:

 

I do wonder if there's an increase in some types of road accidents due to drivers becoming so frustrated and bored they eventually lose the plot, the will to live, and just let rip.

 

 

I believe people with a lack of confidence in driving cause a significant number of accidents. I also think that it should be included in all driver tests, defensive driving courses.



This.  I know plenty of non confident drivers and when they cannot confidently make a decision it can get them into some real grief.






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  Reply # 2002644 26-Apr-2018 09:28
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BuzzLightyear: Can’t believe how long and off topic this thread seems to have gone. Back to your original question about the detector going off in spurts like that. I believe it’s caused by the adaptive cruise controls in many new cars. I have same issue.

 

I recall in the 'olden days' when I was in the force that we had lots of fun when operating mufti-cars and following vehicles with radar detectors.  Turning the radar function on and off again and watching the driver in front get pissed off with his detector going off all the time....ahhh good times. 

 

Adaptive cruise control is not new.  A quick scan of the net suggests that blind spot and other vicinity detector systems also cause this, and with the push for safer vehicles and more technology it's not going to stop there     I am surprised that the makers of radar detectors have not come up with a way to get around the false triggers yet, but I suspect it's going to be a a real cat and mouse chase to keep ahead.  Appears some brands already have a 'fix'.    

 

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/news/a28079/how-new-car-technology-is-forcing-radar-detectors-to-be-more-accurate/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The lastest passport detectors take care of this. I've had my passport since 2013 and this has only really been a problem over last couple of years. Will upgrade and imagine problem will be minimised. 


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  Reply # 2002709 26-Apr-2018 11:18
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Rikkitic:

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Rikkitic:

 

I don't care what you think. I'm not a racer and I don't normally speed. When I do go over the limit it is because I'm not thinking about it. If I wanted to get away with going fast I would employ other means. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can get an Eroad unit which has posted speed and on screen speed so you can maintain your speed a lot better and have an audible warning when you go over the areas speed limit. Then you are not in the wrong.

 

http://www.eroad.co.nz/nz/solutions/health-and-safety/driver-safety/ 

 

 

I'm not bothered if people think I use a radar detector to break the law, but another reason I like it is because it gives me a (very) slight sense of power. Knowing where the police radar cars are even if I can't see them is a kick, albeit a very tiny one. It is like going nyah nyah I know something you don't. It appeals to the child in me.

 

People have police scanners for the same reason. Not because they intend to rob a bank, but because being able to listen in on the police makes them feel like part of a secret club. It is relatively harmless.

 

 

 

 

Scanners can, and are, used to listen to more than just the Police.

 

 

#petpeeve




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  Reply # 2002789 26-Apr-2018 13:29
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Rikkitic:

 

Coil:

 

Rikkitic:

 

I don't care what you think. I'm not a racer and I don't normally speed. When I do go over the limit it is because I'm not thinking about it. If I wanted to get away with going fast I would employ other means. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can get an Eroad unit which has posted speed and on screen speed so you can maintain your speed a lot better and have an audible warning when you go over the areas speed limit. Then you are not in the wrong.

 

http://www.eroad.co.nz/nz/solutions/health-and-safety/driver-safety/ 

 

 

I'm not bothered if people think I use a radar detector to break the law, but another reason I like it is because it gives me a (very) slight sense of power. Knowing where the police radar cars are even if I can't see them is a kick, albeit a very tiny one. It is like going nyah nyah I know something you don't. It appeals to the child in me.

 

People have police scanners for the same reason. Not because they intend to rob a bank, but because being able to listen in on the police makes them feel like part of a secret club. It is relatively harmless.

 

 

 

Scanners can, and are, used to listen to more than just the Police. #petpeeve

 

 

 

I also like to know when a Garage door is opened near me. Could be the Mafia trying to kidnap me! 





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  Reply # 2003068 26-Apr-2018 19:05
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The purpose of speed traps is to encourage safer driving. Ergo, having a detector remind you you're speeding or that there is a fixed camera is likely to cause you to slow down if you were in need of doing so. Road safety aim achieved.

Ideally speed cameras and policemen would never catch anyone because we'd all be sensible enough and skilled enough not to speed.

Allowing people to have tools that help moderate their behaviour is IMV sensible.





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