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  # 2074987 17-Aug-2018 19:29
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I will soon be one of the very few Hyundai Kona EV owners this month in New Zealand (and even in the world) and, as I can afford the price (similar to that of a top-end European fossil-burning car), I can't wait to go electric.

 

I have wanted to go electric for many years now (I've previously owned a Honda Hybrid which was a great and fun car, but there was nowhere to go afterwards other than back to full fossil afterwards...in NZ anyway).

 

The Kona Electric is an EV that finally has the range I have always wanted, the practicality I need (SUV/hatchback), and I reckon Hyundai will make it work supremely well as they seem to be aiming to conquer the world.

 

I cancelled my 18 month old position in the Tesla Model 3 queue (along with the NZ$1500 deposit) once I saw the Kona's capabilities (the Kia Niro EV was also a factor in cancelling). The Tesla Model 3 was increasingly working out to be a minimum NZ$86,000 (including GST) purchase as a base model without Auto-Pilot or tinted glass (to stop being sunburnt in NZ's intense sun).

 

To add on extras like a colour other than black would have priced the Model 3 way out of my budget...plus Tesla has not yet made the smaller battery than I would have been happy with (they are only making bigger battery models right now...there is no choice).

 

So, I am thrilled to be one of the first Kona EV owners in NZ and reckon it might well be a game changer for EVs world-wide.

 

We'll see, though, eh?


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  # 2074988 17-Aug-2018 19:38
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What's the ETA on the car @justin5

 
 
 
 


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  # 2074991 17-Aug-2018 19:42
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I'm being told "by the end of the month"...so, very soon...


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  # 2075033 17-Aug-2018 20:57
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networkn:

 

Dinga96:

 

UHD you based your whole calculation on costs not changing,we know petrol will be going up .

 

That petrol car could be costing twice as much as you quoted to buy fuel for annually,injust a few short years,4 dollars a litre could a possibility,when our dollar falls and oil companies realise ther profit margins are being squeezed by ev uptake,not here maybe but certainly overseas.I do not see our dollar rising again in the short term now the reserve bank has finally got their wish.

 

Of course I agree with you these new electric Konas are way to expensive.But heck you can not expect them to be on par with petrol this early in the piece.

 

 

UHD's comment and point was not that prices won't increase, but that even taking that into account, EV's are stupidly too expensive now and don't present good value.

 

 

 

 

The whole thing has to be based on prices or else how do you prove your point.Just saying ev's are expensive is not proof enough.At the end of the day no one can honestly say that the person who pays 65K, 72K or even 79K for their Kona ev has made a poor financial choice based on UHDs  pure guess work.


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  # 2075190 18-Aug-2018 09:40
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Dinga96:

networkn:


Dinga96:


UHD you based your whole calculation on costs not changing,we know petrol will be going up .


That petrol car could be costing twice as much as you quoted to buy fuel for annually,injust a few short years,4 dollars a litre could a possibility,when our dollar falls and oil companies realise ther profit margins are being squeezed by ev uptake,not here maybe but certainly overseas.I do not see our dollar rising again in the short term now the reserve bank has finally got their wish.


Of course I agree with you these new electric Konas are way to expensive.But heck you can not expect them to be on par with petrol this early in the piece.



UHD's comment and point was not that prices won't increase, but that even taking that into account, EV's are stupidly too expensive now and don't present good value.


 



The whole thing has to be based on prices or else how do you prove your point.Just saying ev's are expensive is not proof enough.At the end of the day no one can honestly say that the person who pays 65K, 72K or even 79K for their Kona ev has made a poor financial choice based on UHDs  pure guess work.



It’s like solar PV for many people. It’s great, it saves heaps of money, but the money you will save over many years has already been spent getting it.

A lower spec EV such as a Leaf where your driving is mainly urban and locally rural and it’s the daily driver is well worth a look, despite the premium.



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  # 2075195 18-Aug-2018 10:02
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justin5:

 

I will soon be one of the very few Hyundai Kona EV owners this month in New Zealand (and even in the world) and, as I can afford the price (similar to that of a top-end European fossil-burning car), I can't wait to go electric.

 

I have wanted to go electric for many years now (I've previously owned a Honda Hybrid which was a great and fun car, but there was nowhere to go afterwards other than back to full fossil afterwards...in NZ anyway).

 

The Kona Electric is an EV that finally has the range I have always wanted, the practicality I need (SUV/hatchback), and I reckon Hyundai will make it work supremely well as they seem to be aiming to conquer the world.

 

I cancelled my 18 month old position in the Tesla Model 3 queue (along with the NZ$1500 deposit) once I saw the Kona's capabilities (the Kia Niro EV was also a factor in cancelling). The Tesla Model 3 was increasingly working out to be a minimum NZ$86,000 (including GST) purchase as a base model without Auto-Pilot or tinted glass (to stop being sunburnt in NZ's intense sun).

 

To add on extras like a colour other than black would have priced the Model 3 way out of my budget...plus Tesla has not yet made the smaller battery than I would have been happy with (they are only making bigger battery models right now...there is no choice).

 

So, I am thrilled to be one of the first Kona EV owners in NZ and reckon it might well be a game changer for EVs world-wide.

 

We'll see, though, eh?

 

 

Hi Justin and welcome to Geekzone! It's great that you are getting a Hyundai Kona EV, and it would be good if you could keep us updated on this forum from time to time on how you find it.

 

It's interesting that you prefer the Kona to a Tesla Model 3, so this speaks highly of the Kona. The other NZ-new EV that is in a similar price bracket to the Kona 64 kWh is the BMW i3, so did you also consider this option? How do you think the Kona compares with the i3?

 

Are you planning to get a fast-charge wall box for your Kona, the standard 43-hour charge using household AC current may be a bit too long at times?

 

 

 

 




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  # 2075197 18-Aug-2018 10:10
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tdgeek:

 

It’s like solar PV for many people. It’s great, it saves heaps of money, but the money you will save over many years has already been spent getting it.

A lower spec EV such as a Leaf where your driving is mainly urban and locally rural and it’s the daily driver is well worth a look, despite the premium.

 

I think when considering a lower spec Nissan Leaf, this will be a second-hand import without a manufacturer's guarantee. See this article for a summary of why it may be preferable to buy NZ-New when possible.

 

The 40 kWh Nissan Leaf is apparently going to be sold new in NZ next year (and possibly also a 64 kWh model), so these will be worth considering, even if, like the Kona, they are a bit pricey when NZ-new.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2075433 18-Aug-2018 17:31
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Dinga96:

 

UHD:

 

Dinga96:

 

networkn:

 

Dinga96:

 

You should not assume that petrol will stay the same price for 16 years.

 

 

How much would it need to rise by to invalidate the comment?

 

 

 

 

networkn ,the comment is already invalid.

 

 

How so?

 

 

UHD you based your whole calculation on costs not changing,we know petrol will be going up .

 

That petrol car could be costing twice as much as you quoted to buy fuel for annually,injust a few short years,4 dollars a litre could a possibility,when our dollar falls and oil companies realise ther profit margins are being squeezed by ev uptake,not here maybe but certainly overseas.I do not see our dollar rising again in the short term now the reserve bank has finally got their wish.

 

Of course I agree with you these new electric Konas are way to expensive.But heck you can not expect them to be on par with petrol this early in the piece.

 

 

I don't see any reason to believe petrol will reach $4/L in "a few short years". Perhaps in 10-15 but even then unlikely. Our global reserves look to be pretty decent for the medium term future and if anything oil companies will lower their prices to ensure EV are not a great option rather than double them and drive more people to buying EV.

 

If anything, I forgot to include the price of charging your EV in the calculation and assumed that an EV presents zero cost to the end user. How much would a 64KW EV Kona cost in electricity to charge from 0-100%?


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  # 2075465 18-Aug-2018 17:40
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Please quote responsibly.  You only need to quote the person you're responding to, and only if you're not directly replying in the next post.


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  # 2075470 18-Aug-2018 17:50
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Hi frednz

 

I will be happy to update people here on my Kona EV experience...once I have it in my garage, I will send an update.

 

Waiting for a Tesla Model 3 gave me time to work out pricing and what I would want in one. US$50,000 works out, at current rates, to be NZ$75k....that's for the basics with a smaller battery than is currently available.

 

Add 15% GST to that, and you get NZ$86k. This is before adding thousands of US dollars to make sure you don't get sunburnt through the glass roof, choosing a colour other than black, shipping tyo NZ, and taking advantage of Tesla's amazing Auto-Pilot abilities which (if all us Tesla lovers are honest) are close to being a must-have. 

 

Add GST again to all those add-ons....and you've got a Tesla costing substnatially more than US$50,000.

 

I have driven a BMW i3....it really is a fun drive! But, I don't want a range-extender (servicing a petrol motor costs way more than just an electric one)...and the battery-only i3 does not have the range.

 

The Hyundai Kona 64kwh EV (and upcoming Kia Niro EV) have the range I want at last...and I reckon I can trust Hyundai and Kia to do an EV well.

 

I will be getting a "faster" charger for home....I see that as a good thing for resale of my home.


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  # 2075473 18-Aug-2018 17:55
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frednz:

 

justin5:

 

I will soon be one of the very few Hyundai Kona EV owners this month in New Zealand (and even in the world) and, as I can afford the price (similar to that of a top-end European fossil-burning car), I can't wait to go electric.

 

I have wanted to go electric for many years now (I've previously owned a Honda Hybrid which was a great and fun car, but there was nowhere to go afterwards other than back to full fossil afterwards...in NZ anyway).

 

The Kona Electric is an EV that finally has the range I have always wanted, the practicality I need (SUV/hatchback), and I reckon Hyundai will make it work supremely well as they seem to be aiming to conquer the world.

 

I cancelled my 18 month old position in the Tesla Model 3 queue (along with the NZ$1500 deposit) once I saw the Kona's capabilities (the Kia Niro EV was also a factor in cancelling). The Tesla Model 3 was increasingly working out to be a minimum NZ$86,000 (including GST) purchase as a base model without Auto-Pilot or tinted glass (to stop being sunburnt in NZ's intense sun).

 

To add on extras like a colour other than black would have priced the Model 3 way out of my budget...plus Tesla has not yet made the smaller battery than I would have been happy with (they are only making bigger battery models right now...there is no choice).

 

So, I am thrilled to be one of the first Kona EV owners in NZ and reckon it might well be a game changer for EVs world-wide.

 

We'll see, though, eh?

 

 

Hi Justin and welcome to Geekzone! It's great that you are getting a Hyundai Kona EV, and it would be good if you could keep us updated on this forum from time to time on how you find it.

 

It's interesting that you prefer the Kona to a Tesla Model 3, so this speaks highly of the Kona. The other NZ-new EV that is in a similar price bracket to the Kona 64 kWh is the BMW i3, so did you also consider this option? How do you think the Kona compares with the i3?

 

Are you planning to get a fast-charge wall box for your Kona, the standard 43-hour charge using household AC current may be a bit too long at times?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way, thank you for the welcome....I am still learning my way around geekzone....hence me doing a whole new post previously  ;-) 


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UHD:

 

If anything, I forgot to include the price of charging your EV in the calculation and assumed that an EV presents zero cost to the end user. How much would a 64KW EV Kona cost in electricity to charge from 0-100%?

 

 

64 kWh at say 25c is $16. Off peak plan at say 16c is $10. If you have solar PV some of that may be free. 


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  # 2075493 18-Aug-2018 19:16
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I don't see any reason to believe petrol will reach $4/L in "a few short years". Perhaps in 10-15 but even then unlikely. Our global reserves look to be pretty decent for the medium term future and if anything oil companies will lower their prices to ensure EV are not a great option rather than double them and drive more people to buying EV.

If anything, I forgot to include the price of charging your EV in the calculation and assumed that an EV presents zero cost to the end user. How much would a 64KW EV Kona cost in electricity to charge from 0-100%?

 

I think you will find as less people buy petrol,which is lets face it enevitable, oil companies rather than lower their prices, which has never happened in recent history to my knowledge, will need to keep raising them,ie less demand equals lower profit margin which in turn will mean shareholders do not allow any price easing.

 

A prime example of the problem oil companies face is diesel vehicles ,their sales are plummeting,not here but in the rest of the world ,it will happen here to.So yes I think there will be dramatic increases in oil prices.I believe your 10 - 15 year scenario is more like 4 - 8 years and even that's a bit conservative.

 

Reasons are: Global warming:Goverments will have to start increasing efforts to get people out of ice cars.

 

Health effects on humans: Again governments are already legislating against diesel vehicles entering their cities.

 

Air Pollution:China is already making huge inroads into this problem,and oil demand has dropped ,other countries are taking note.

 

These factors while on their own may not have much effect ,combined will see oil companies begin to struggle.

 

The cost of charging the Kona is cheaper than petrol , apart from that the most important  saving, its cleaner energy and its renewable energy.You really can not put a price on the benefits of that.


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  # 2075494 18-Aug-2018 19:23
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Dinga96:

 

I don't see any reason to believe petrol will reach $4/L in "a few short years". Perhaps in 10-15 but even then unlikely. Our global reserves look to be pretty decent for the medium term future and if anything oil companies will lower their prices to ensure EV are not a great option rather than double them and drive more people to buying EV.

If anything, I forgot to include the price of charging your EV in the calculation and assumed that an EV presents zero cost to the end user. How much would a 64KW EV Kona cost in electricity to charge from 0-100%?

 

I think you will find as less people buy petrol,which is lets face it enevitable, oil companies rather than lower their prices, which has never happened in recent history to my knowledge, will need to keep raising them,ie less demand equals lower profit margin which in turn will mean shareholders do not allow any price easing.

 

A prime example of the problem oil companies face is diesel vehicles ,their sales are plummeting,not here but in the rest of the world ,it will happen here to.So yes I think there will be dramatic increases in oil prices.I believe your 10 - 15 year scenario is more like 4 - 8 years and even that's a bit conservative.

 

Reasons are: Global warming:Goverments will have to start increasing efforts to get people out of ice cars.

 

Health effects on humans: Again governments are already legislating against diesel vehicles entering their cities.

 

Air Pollution:China is already making huge inroads into this problem,and oil demand has dropped ,other countries are taking note.

 

These factors while on their own may not have much effect ,combined will see oil companies begin to struggle.

 

The cost of charging the Kona is cheaper than petrol , apart from that the most important  saving, its cleaner energy and its renewable energy.You really can not put a price on the benefits of that.

 

 

 

 

I was lucky to be down south in Central Otago recently....it was nice to be driving past (in an ICE car) hydro lakes that produce energy that will power a car I will soon own.  Those with me, in the ICE car, were not younger than me but suddenly kind of understood (when I mentioned this fact) how good it would be if we were using the energy of our own nation to drive our own future :-) 

 

 




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  # 2075917 19-Aug-2018 20:51
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justin5:

 

Hi frednz

 

I will be happy to update people here on my Kona EV experience...once I have it in my garage, I will send an update.

 

 

Thanks very much Justin for your post, I think that the 64 kWh Kona's range of 400-470km is a huge advantage over other EVs that are currently available in NZ.

 

It's interesting that Hyundai are also into hydrogen fuel cell cars and are manufacturing one named the Hyundai Nexo.

 

This article compares the Kona with the Nexo and mentions that:

 

Nexo's claimed range is 414 miles and with a top speed of 111mph, it's slightly faster than the Kona EV, but it's not as fast from 0-62mph. By contrast, a full refill takes about five minutes.

 

You'd be crazy to choose the Nexo over the Kona EV right now, assuming you can get hold of either. At around half the projected cost of the more sophisticated and technically superior Nexo, Kona EV lives up to its maker's prediction on range and energy consumption …..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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