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  # 2077627 22-Aug-2018 19:06
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Next year! Do you pay the remainder upon receipt of car?


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  # 2077663 22-Aug-2018 19:18
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I paid a deposit larger than that for a Tesla Model 3 to secure a Hyundai Kona Electric ... the remainder is payable on receiving the car.


 
 
 
 




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  # 2077676 22-Aug-2018 20:21
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justin5:

 

I agree (as someone who has paid a deposit for a Kona EV) that it shouldn't be driven like a sports car...but then, it isn't a sports car.

 

If someone did want a sports car, a Tesla Model 3 might be better option? (I had a deposit on one for 18 months, by the way, but cancelled it in favour of a Kona EV).

 

 

 

An update, by the way, on my Kona EV buying aspirations (I don't want to drive it like a sports car, by the way)...I had a phone call 2 weeks ago to say I would have a white Kona Electric Elite by the end of the month (a reminder....I was the third person in NZ (or so I believed from the sales guy I dealt with) to put a deposit down to own one 2 months ago - June 14, to be exact).

 

On Monday I got a phone call to apologise saying that, in actual fact, the Konas arriving by the end of this month were not Elite models but lower spec models (still with 64kWh batteries, mind you). I could have a lesser spec Kona, but I still want top spec.

 

I was told I may have to wait until November OR even next year to get an Elite spec Kona Electric.

 

My disappointment is palpable...and gnawing at me...

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the update and sorry to hear of the delay in delivery of your Kona. I'm interested to know whether Hyundai dealers in all centres have demonstration 64 kWh Konas for people to try out before paying a deposit.

 

Incidentally, you can see a positive report here on the Kona EV from a person who is one of the first in NZ to take delivery.

 

 

 

 


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  # 2077702 22-Aug-2018 21:23
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It is sad that my promised delivery of a Kona EV Elite (as a VERY early deposit payer) before the end of this month will not now happen....indeed, it may not happen until next year even (so I've been told).

 

I can tell you that I have been offered a test drive of a Kona 64kWh in Auckland, though it feels somewhat deflatingly interesting to take one for a test drive.

 

Meantime, I love the positive report you included in your post: positive report here   ... it was posted 2 days before I got the phone call saying I would not get the Kona Elite EV I was promised because all the very first ones coming in to NZ were lower spec versions. 

 

Yet, surprisingly, this review reveals to me these new owners have driven home the top spec that I was promised ... a Kona EV with heads-up display (suggesting an Elite model) many days before supposed delivery of any top spec Kona EVs (apart from demo/media ones).

 

I am confused and disappointed......




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  # 2079474 26-Aug-2018 20:44
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Here’s another review of the Hyundai Kona Electric, which will interest people who are thinking of buying this vehicle:

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/hyundai/kona-ev

 

This article compares EVs that were designed from a “blank sheet” to run on battery power alone, with EVs that have been adapted from petrol vehicles. The Kona can also be purchased as a dedicated petrol vehicle, but the article explains that, in some ways, the Kona EV is just like purpose-built EVs, such as the Tesla.

 

For example, the Kona’s batteries are “spread out across the floor beneath the passenger compartment, just as they are in Teslas. That’s precisely where you want them, because the car’s centre of gravity is kept close to the road and boot space is left well alone.

 

However, the article goes on to say that, in another way, the Kona EV is…

 

“…much more akin to an adapted electric car. That is torque steer. Flatten the accelerator pedal at low or medium speeds and the car drags itself left and right across the width of the road, recalling the sort of frantic on-boost behaviour that made certain performance cars of the 1980s and 1990s such a handful.

 

This handling trait is a very long way from being dangerous, but it can take you by surprise. It happens in every one of the Kona Electric's driving modes, too – even the most sedate Eco. Wheelspin away from the line is another problem.”

 

The article mentions that, the solution, of course, is to drive with a lighter right foot, but driving around a problem doesn’t mean it isn’t there. The article also discusses the Kona’s regenerative braking and steering:

 

“There are four levels of regenerative braking, which you scroll through using steering wheel-mounted paddles, from one-pedal driving to none at all. Regardless of which mode you have engaged, the brake pedal is strangely inconsistent, dancing up and down beneath the ball of your foot whenever you apply any pressure. The steering, too, is afflicted by an unusual tugging characteristic just around the straight-ahead, as though your passenger is gently pulling on the wheel.”

 

Despite the problems referred to above, the article concludes that “this small handful of unusual dynamic traits shouldn’t be enough to put you off”, so that’s reassuring. I guess all drivers who are new to EVs have a lot to learn and will benefit from lots of research and careful test driving before buying.


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  # 2079486 26-Aug-2018 21:35
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Picked up my Kona a couple of days ago and I'm very happy with it.  Maybe in 3-4 years EVs will be a bit more reasonably priced, but already I'm getting 150+ KM more on a tank in the Kona than I was getting in my 2015 ix35.  So that's an out-of-the-box bonus!


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  # 2079539 27-Aug-2018 09:52
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MikeAqua:

 

Dinga96:

 

So Mike the Pajero costs would probably be more over its life time than the Kona.Of course if you need a vehicle to tow a heavy load then that's the best option or something similar.Looking ahead a few years and no one is investing in Diesel any more.Governments will start to phase out the use of Diesel towards the end of the next decade .

 

 

Are you sure? The lifetime of the Kona is unproven. 

 

 

Havent read all of the posts but the price and unknown future makes buying an electric Kona a bit unappealing.

 

Quick calculation in Excel;

 

$78K gets you a top of the line Kona for 150 000km (around 10 years?) of driving with petrol at $3/L for 7L/100km plus 10 services at $500 a pop.

 

Given a leaf costs US$5500+installation for a new battery, I cant imagine a Kona battery replacement will be any cheaper. So you will probably be looking at $100K for a Kona over a 10 year lifespan plus of course the cost to charge the thing...

 

 




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  # 2079959 27-Aug-2018 20:39
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https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/motoring-blog/hyundai-kona-electric-suv-with-400km-range-debuts-in-nz/

 

The above review by the AA is positive and says this about the Hyundai Kona 64 kWh's "real-world" range:

 

"Speaking of which, what about Hyundai’s 400km ‘real world’ claim? Our test drive took in 330.6km from Mt Wellington to Raglan on back roads, returning to Highway 1 via Bridal Veil falls. We drove mostly in the ‘normal’ rather than Sport or Eco options among four possible settings, had the heating on, as well as the heated seat and steering wheel at times, and all the electronic nannies were active, so any warning chimes made their own small claim on available power. And we returned to base with 70km of potential range remaining, to deliver exactly 400km of real-world range. This despite the fact a rural drive doesn’t play to the system’s strengths – like a hybrid, braking and lifting off the throttle regenerates power, and you do little of either while tooling along at 100kmph – Kona will go further if most of your driving is round town."

 

The AA didn't seem concerned about the heavy weight of the Kona or its handling or braking ability, so perhaps some reviews (as referred to earlier in this thread) are just a little too critical on these aspects?

 

 


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  # 2079960 27-Aug-2018 20:44
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frednz:

 

https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/motoring-blog/hyundai-kona-electric-suv-with-400km-range-debuts-in-nz/

 

The above review by the AA is positive and says this about the Hyundai Kona 64 kWh's "real-world" range:

 

"Speaking of which, what about Hyundai’s 400km ‘real world’ claim? Our test drive took in 330.6km from Mt Wellington to Raglan on back roads, returning to Highway 1 via Bridal Veil falls. We drove mostly in the ‘normal’ rather than Sport or Eco options among four possible settings, had the heating on, as well as the heated seat and steering wheel at times, and all the electronic nannies were active, so any warning chimes made their own small claim on available power. And we returned to base with 70km of potential range remaining, to deliver exactly 400km of real-world range. This despite the fact a rural drive doesn’t play to the system’s strengths – like a hybrid, braking and lifting off the throttle regenerates power, and you do little of either while tooling along at 100kmph – Kona will go further if most of your driving is round town."

 

The AA didn't seem concerned about the heavy weight of the Kona or its handling or braking ability, so perhaps some reviews (as referred to earlier in this thread) are just a little too critical on these aspects?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I just need to get hold of one! ;-) 




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  # 2079970 27-Aug-2018 20:52
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tchart:

 

Given a leaf costs US$5500+installation for a new battery, I cant imagine a Kona battery replacement will be any cheaper. So you will probably be looking at $100K for a Kona over a 10 year lifespan plus of course the cost to charge the thing...

 

 

I don't think many of the people who buy a new 64 kWh Hyundai Kona will be too concerned about battery replacement or the Kona's possible overall cost over a 10-year lifespan.

 

It's likely that people who can clunk out $80k for a new EV will keep the vehicle for only 2-3 years and then invest in the latest EV technology. Although this approach can result in heavy depreciation costs, it at least avoids battery replacement issues and it means that the range of the vehicle will always be at the higher end of the scale.

 

Although buyers of second-hand EVs pay a lot less than new car buyers, they do have to face up to the issues of reducing range as the battery gets older and even the possibility of replacing the battery. And of course, they aren't driving an EV which utilises the latest technology or which has a new vehicle warranty.




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  # 2079986 27-Aug-2018 20:59
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justin5:

 

Now, I just need to get hold of one! ;-) 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NZEVOwners/

 

On the above site Mark Jennings says that he has just taken delivery of his shiny white new Kona EV and he's going "straight into it" by driving from Wellington to Cape Reinga. Mark has posted 3 nice photos of his Kona on Facebook. However, I'm not sure whether or not it's an elite model.


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  # 2079997 27-Aug-2018 21:16
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frednz:

 

justin5:

 

Now, I just need to get hold of one! ;-) 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NZEVOwners/

 

On the above site Mark Jennings says that he has just taken delivery of his shiny white new Kona EV and he's going "straight into it" by driving from Wellington to Cape Reinga. Mark has posted 3 nice photos of his Kona on Facebook. However, I'm not sure whether it's an elite model.

 

 

 

 

Mark Jennings is a well-known media person so may have been offered a Kona EV Elite early?

 

It really is great that he is enjoying it :-)

 

The easiest way to tell if a Kona EV is an Elite model is if pictures show it has a Heads Up Display (and I can't see one from the few pics I see on that facebook entry), so his one may not be.

 

I had booked a week off work to take the new Kona EV Elite I was told I would get before the end of this month for a drive to Hawkes Bay and back in early September...a cool EV road trip! 

 

Thankfully, I have today managed to cancel that leave after last week being pushed a fair way back from where I thought I was on the waiting list.

 

Good times ;-) 


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  # 2080061 28-Aug-2018 08:46
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justin5:

 

frednz:

 

justin5:

 

Now, I just need to get hold of one! ;-) 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NZEVOwners/

 

On the above site Mark Jennings says that he has just taken delivery of his shiny white new Kona EV and he's going "straight into it" by driving from Wellington to Cape Reinga. Mark has posted 3 nice photos of his Kona on Facebook. However, I'm not sure whether it's an elite model.

 

 

 

 

Mark Jennings is a well-known media person so may have been offered a Kona EV Elite early?

 

It really is great that he is enjoying it :-)

 

The easiest way to tell if a Kona EV is an Elite model is if pictures show it has a Heads Up Display (and I can't see one from the few pics I see on that facebook entry), so his one may not be.

 

I had booked a week off work to take the new Kona EV Elite I was told I would get before the end of this month for a drive to Hawkes Bay and back in early September...a cool EV road trip! 

 

Thankfully, I have today managed to cancel that leave after last week being pushed a fair way back from where I thought I was on the waiting list.

 

Good times ;-) 

 

 

 

 

I've had a closer look on a bigger screen at the pictures and I can see his Kona DOES have a heads-up display.

 

So, his is definitely an Elite spec-ed Kona.

 

I wonder how he got one ... and in white, just like I was promised by the end of this month. Hmmmmm..........

 

 


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  # 2080070 28-Aug-2018 09:08
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Some customers may be more equal than others @justin5


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  # 2080098 28-Aug-2018 10:01
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Well as long as he is spreading the ev love, maybe it's worth it?

This sort of thing always happens. All Blacks drive Fords.

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